I have a 1988 chevy cavalier Z24 convertible, that I wish to do the following to.


Upgrade suspension all the way around 100% new performance oriented lowered, from stock height to about 2 1/2 - 3 " drop up front and 3" for sure in the rear.

it has drum rear brakes I want cross drilled slotted disc all the way around preferably the largest size I can stuff in there..

performance exhaust headers back, preferably dual conversion too

engine upgrades/swaps? is there a way to put a 4.3 vortec in there?

Clutches and transmisions race ready 5 spd

basically anything I can use to make this car amazing I want it all!!

cam's? roller rockers? turbo's? Let me know I want this thing fully customized, concider price no limit but the cheaper the better of course, got the body kit and rims and tires and interior stuff figured


Is there somewhere to go to get all the parts I need to do all this I mean basically 100% frame off customize for performance?!

Help guys!!! lead me to the parts Ill buy then Ive got a shop lined up for the work just need to know whats interchangable and what not?!

1988? No.

No, just sell the car and get a better one. Nothing you can do to that car will make it a performance car. I am assuming you are 16-19 years old, am I right?

^ what he said.

I have to say that I agree. Heck, the 1988s were the year I was driving in high school almost 15 years ago. The car will most likely cost quite a bit in maintanence alone, so dumping money into performance parts isn't the best idea.

lol it's an 88econocar and you want to make it into a Vette beater. The drums in the rear should be your biggest red flag. The cars chassis wasn't designed for anything more than spirited driving. To save money the General put drums on it. Even if you do an L67 swap and a 5speed and blah blah blah, one you have a convertible so it's heavier than a coupe and two your chassis will be holding you back...a lot. To make it a halfway decent car you can buy a Notch and be a shit ton faster and better handling and it's purpose built.

16-19? funny really.

Look I know the car has potential to be a stomper. Money and after value isn't an issue here I never plan on making it a collectors item, and it turns out its a 89. Its already been heavily modified by someone to the point of no return to originality, so I want to take it to the next step and turn it into a street beast.


See Its simply the getting it done part thats stopping me. And trust me this thing is no econocar, it jumps up to 126 (limiter) faster than I can keep my clutch in play, so I know its got potential to be a sleeper.

I'd much more appreciate help than people shooting down my questions, looking for advice on how to get it done not how to not get it done and find a different car.

This thread sucks.

16-19? funny really.

Look I know the car has potential to be a stomper. Money and after value isn't an issue here I never plan on making it a collectors item, and it turns out its a 89. Its already been heavily modified by someone to the point of no return to originality, so I want to take it to the next step and turn it into a street beast.


See Its simply the getting it done part thats stopping me. And trust me this thing is no econocar, it jumps up to 126 (limiter) faster than I can keep my clutch in play, so I know its got potential to be a sleeper.

I'd much more appreciate help than people shooting down my questions, looking for advice on how to get it done not how to not get it done and find a different car.
if you think your car is a performer, you have no idea what true performance is. if you want to burn your money its your choice.

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If you are really really serious which I REALLY hope you are. Swap in an L67 and coilovers all the way around. I don't know of a stock 5speed that will fit the L67 but I know getrag has one that will bolt up. underbody chassis reinforcement is a MUST cause that convertible won't be holding the power of the stock L67 and keep a straight frame. so do it...spend $10,000 and when you roll up on me I can lol my face off when I spend $5,000 on a Fox body and put $5,000 into it and smoke the hell out of you.

What I do know is that you people are far from helpful.

I know for a fact that as is my car will smoke a fox body 5.0 any day, it already bored .030 over and cammed, decent borla exhaust, lowered coilovers all the way around already, just needs brake swaps serious wiring changes, frame has trac bar and extra sway bars and several cross frame members added strut tower bar etc.. the cars stiff, Zero rust what so ever.

I was thinking of a 3400 swap, maybe turbo... I just need to find a shop that can do it all and get the parts, in upstate ny.

And when I'm all done yeah c'mon and find me, ill trade rubber.

yea...you do that

if money is no object then why don't you buy an 03/04 Cobra?

got some sentimental value in that J-body?

I know for a fact that as is my car will smoke a fox body 5.0 any day
including the 9-second fox bodies?

What I do know is that you people are far from helpful.

I know for a fact that as is my car will smoke a fox body 5.0 any day, it already bored .030 over and cammed, decent borla exhaust, lowered coilovers all the way around already, just needs brake swaps serious wiring changes, frame has trac bar and extra sway bars and several cross frame members added strut tower bar etc.. the cars stiff, Zero rust what so ever.

I was thinking of a 3400 swap, maybe turbo... I just need to find a shop that can do it all and get the parts, in upstate ny.

And when I'm all done yeah c'mon and find me, ill trade rubber.
lol e thuggin. go to the track and post your times slips and then we can all have a good laugh. ill post my times and give with a total cost and you can see if you made a wise investment.

What I do know is that you people are far from helpful.
You're driving a car that my '85 Fiero can smoke. You're barking up the wrong tree for performance.

I was thinking of a 3400 swap, maybe turbo...
Been there, done that. '99 Monte Carlo LS. Can guarantee it's faster than your car is now. But - then again - the 3400 isn't exactly a performer either. You'd be lucky to see 300 WHP without digging into the bottom end and de-stroking it to square the bore/stroke to get more versatility, doing a full 3500 top-end swap, and building a full custom T3/T4 kit. You'd have to dump more than $15,000 into the engine alone to make the power, and don't expect the transaxle to hold up very much longer either. You'd need about $4500 in transmission work to keep from grenading everything. Then you're looking at custom axles, because assuming you're smart and using the right kinds of tires, the weak-ass soft-iron axles on your car will undoubtedly start to twist under the relatively instant onset of torque down low around 2500 RPM generated by a properly built turbo 3400. So, you're looking, in total, over $40k of work to keep up with my $25k Fiero at the strip, and to barely even see the dust I'll kick up in your face around a proper road course. Get over yourself, kiddo. It's a Cavalier.

And when I'm all done yeah c'mon and find me, ill trade rubber.
I've heard this before. And oddly enough, before I could even take the guy up on his "challenge", the car was "mysteriously stolen." GTFO and stop e-thugging. Your car is nothing. It's front-wheel-drive, it's an econo-box. The only "fast" Cavalier isn't even really fast. It's in the 11's.
Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTE3F7pIHo) I can guarantee you won't be able to keep up with him.

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Ooh, look, he's peeking at his thread, lesse what his response is. Hope he's all butt-hurt or something. ;)

lol i see that

That white Cavalier........has 4 way slicks on a fwd car, WOW.

That white Cavalier........has 4 way slicks on a fwd car, WOW.

and in the end, it's still a cavalier lol

I guess it's impressive for the year cavalier that it is, but, looking at the realm of imports and 4 cylinder non-street legal drag cars, it's actually quite slow.

You can go to a junkyard and pick up an entire car, throw some used parts on it, and run it at the track and go that fast.

Actually the ecotec is a very strong motor. The block is able to hold 1600whp. Hell even my 5L BLOCK will grenade after 500. The new Turbo Cobalts can do 12's after only a tune.

Actually the ecotec is a very strong motor. The block is able to hold 1600whp. Hell even my 5L BLOCK will grenade after 500. The new Turbo Cobalts can do 12's after only a tune.

Still not impressed. Almost all of the forced air 4 cylinders are pulling 12s, some without a tune. Funny how it took GM this long to realize that they needed a turbocharged version to compete too. The supercharger was fail.

I totally agree but out of the box you buy the Cobalt ss/t and tune it and you're in the 12's it's not bad at all. The SRT4 can't do it, EVO/DSM can't do it...STI can't do it.

I totally agree but out of the box you buy the Cobalt ss/t and tune it and you're in the 12's it's not bad at all. The SRT4 can't do it, EVO/DSM can't do it...STI can't do it.

Are you saying they can't do it out of the box or with a tune? I know the EVO and STi can do it with tunes, because the Legacy GT is capable of it with a tune too. If the SRT-4 has slicks and a tune, I am pretty sure you can do 12s in that too.

I dunno, I don't think so. You're more than welcome to prove me wrong.

Lemme see if I can get some sources. I know when I was looking at the Legacy GT, there were guys running 12s with just a tune on those. Basicly, it was a clutch dump in an AWD turbo car though. The STi was slightly faster stock, so I can't see how the Legacy was doing it, but the STi wasn't

Lemme see if I can get some sources. I know when I was looking at the Legacy GT, there were guys running 12s with just a tune on those. Basicly, it was a clutch dump in an AWD turbo car though. The STi was slightly faster stock, so I can't see how the Legacy was doing it, but the STi wasn't

majority of STi's with just a stage 1 tune, no mods run mid 13's. stage 2 with TBE they run in the 12's.

I could be wrong though, I hangout with a lot of subaru's and at the strip. :rotf:

You're driving a car that my '85 Fiero can smoke. You're barking up the wrong tree for performance.


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it can??? what fiero?? the one in parts????

Ok, it seems that the 12s i was thinking of were cars that have had lowers replaced and inductionn to hit the 12s.

That said, where can I see that the cavvy is hitting 12s with just a tune? Finding it harder and harder to believe now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30UxICiLlss

Bone stock. The GM's have a lot of tune left in them. .6 seconds isn't that hard with just a tune. The LNF is a VERY impressive motor 260BHP stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30UxICiLlss

Bone stock. The GM's have a lot of tune left in them. .6 seconds isn't that hard with just a tune. The LNF is a VERY impressive motor 260BHP stock.

Seriously? You showed me a vid of 13.6 seconds. I can show mid 13s for these other cars too and argue the same. .6 seconds is alot to swallow for just a tune.

I can't find the video on yah tuub.

So I want this car to be nice because of what it is, I'm not trying to drag it, just drive it..

So now I need some more help...

I need the following parts, any links to where I can purchase quality, replacement/performance parts of the following.


power steering rack, tie rods+ends, wheel bearings, shocks, springs (already lowered so Eiboch or Apex lowering springs probably) sway bars and any additional easy to bolt on front suspension upgrades, for both sides of the
front end

Rear disc brake swap, A/C pulley eliminator wheel to remove the A/C

Window motors for the rear shark fin windows, and a complete new wiring harness and ECU would be nice.. probably going to end up selling the damn thing but If i can get all these parts myself I can install them no problem, I just don't work on these cars, more classic muscle, and mostly mopar's. but its all simmialr just time consuming and hard to find parts for easily..

www.Summitracing.com The other junk you can get at a yard. The brakes swap you will have to check the cavalier forums. We don't have access to who would or where to get specific junk like that.

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it can??? what fiero?? the one in parts????
If you saw the pictures I posted in the PWT, it's back together. But nice try. ;)

The LNF != LSJ or L61.

The LNF is a very nice motor upon which a tune changes the amount of boost going in, the exact timing of the spark, intake, and exhaust valves, and changes the air/fuel tables. A tune on the LNF is the same as a boost controller, cam, and ECU tune on any other turbocharged motor. The infinitely variable valve timing is what makes it as tunable as it is. Combine that with the direct injection, and you're looking at an engine that can crank out 400 at the crank on a tune alone. Its only downfall is its lack of swap-ability. It hates, hates, HATES being in any car it didn't already come in. If it came stock in your car, however, it's fine to tune.

The LNF != LSJ or L61.

The LNF is a very nice motor upon which a tune changes the amount of boost going in, the exact timing of the spark, intake, and exhaust valves, and changes the air/fuel tables. A tune on the LNF is the same as a boost controller, cam, and ECU tune on any other turbocharged motor. The infinitely variable valve timing is what makes it as tunable as it is. Combine that with the direct injection, and you're looking at an engine that can crank out 400 at the crank on a tune alone. Its only downfall is its lack of swap-ability. It hates, hates, HATES being in any car it didn't already come in. If it came stock in your car, however, it's fine to tune.

It has infinite variable timing? If so, I am VERY impressed then. I don't recall this actually being applied to any other car with great success.

you can do it with IVTEC....I told you tune is the shit on those cars.

I had yet to hear of any other cars that used infinite timing. What other cars are using it with this much success? I find it hard to believe, the company that has to wait for someone else to do something to get it right, is the first to do it on this scale.

If you saw the pictures I posted in the PWT, it's back together. But nice try. ;)
yea i did, rusted engine comp. and small section of interior, :rotf: :rotf:

nice try right back at you:rotf:

yea i did, rusted engine comp. and small section of interior, :rotf: :rotf:

nice try right back at you:rotf:
No you didn't, then. There was no rust. ;)

In case you haven't been following, I'm doing this thing called "moving." I'm "moving" to a different location for this thing called a "better job." Said "better job" offers things such as "security," "more money," "better benefits," and the location of said "better job" has roughly 1/4 the "cost of living." All of which will increase my "quality of life." All of these things are something most internet 'tards know little to nothing about. And said things are more important than finishing a car. Unlike most people in this economy, I don't live out of my car. I have some "fiscal responsibility." Therefore, I put the stock parts back together enough to put the car on a trailer and transport it to its new location. Sorry my maturity and fiscal responsibility are more important than you, but... alas, you're worth nothing to me.

It has infinite variable timing? If so, I am VERY impressed then. I don't recall this actually being applied to any other car with great success.
It's near infinite. They phase each lobe up to 90* to either direction off center, offering a 180* total phase, and can be any position between the two extremes. So - in effect, yes, it's infinite. That's why the Solstice GXP has as broad of a powerband as it does so with such small displacement.

I really like the hadtop GXP

I think rav used enough quotations to make it in a chris pharley scitt.

I think rav used enough quotations to make it in a chris pharley scitt.
'twas part of the point. Just pointing out how retarded most of the internet actually is. ;)

No you didn't, then. There was no rust. ;)

In case you haven't been following, I'm doing this thing called "moving." I'm "moving" to a different location for this thing called a "better job." Said "better job" offers things such as "security," "more money," "better benefits," and the location of said "better job" has roughly 1/4 the "cost of living." All of which will increase my "quality of life." All of these things are something most internet 'tards know little to nothing about. And said things are more important than finishing a car. Unlike most people in this economy, I don't live out of my car. I have some "fiscal responsibility." Therefore, I put the stock parts back together enough to put the car on a trailer and transport it to its new location. Sorry my maturity and fiscal responsibility are more important than you, but... alas, you're worth nothing to me.
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why did you even respond?? none of it is proof.
do you think i care what obnoxious, lying, geek has to say??
lol, pathetic.

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why did you even respond?? none of it is proof.
do you think i care what obnoxious, lying, geek has to say??
lol, pathetic.

:facepalm:

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?

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why did you even respond?? none of it is proof.
do you think i care what obnoxious, lying, geek has to say??
lol, pathetic.
~Obnoxious? Only because I'm right most of the time. It does get obnoxious. I rather enjoy when people prove me wrong, because it's a chance to learn something new, and something I was obviously wrong about. Sadly, it doesn't happen nearly often enough, because the internet is full of :chad:'s like you.
~Lying? You wish. That'd be easy for you.
~Geek? As if that's some kind of insult.

The only pathetic thing around here is you. You act as if I have to prove something to you. You're nobody. You're nothing. Take that as you will. Nobody cares. The truth is the truth. You can go on running your wild conspiracy theories about how I'm lying all you want, it doesn't change life.

Unlike some of our other members, I produced real, repeatable photographs linked to my camera, on my photobucket account, of a vehicle in the state I explained it in, in both states, assembled and disassembled (obviously at different points in time. It can't be both.), minus certain identifyable components in order to maintain privacy. My car wasn't conveniently stolen. My car wasn't vapor. I'm not 1400. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean you have to slander me.

If you really want, PM me. I'll give you my address. I'll open the boxes, show you all the parts you want, and show you everything I have done 'til now, and haven't. But until you're willing to go that far, cut the shit. Because I've done my part towards proof. It's your turn to prove your claims of lying.

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why did you even respond?? none of it is proof.
do you think i care what obnoxious, lying, geek has to say??
lol, pathetic.
troll.

why do you respond to every post where he mentions his Fiero?

why do you respond at all if you "don't care what obnoxious, lying, geek has to say"?

you don't own an Accord. trolls aren't allowed to drive.

:shakehead

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Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?
lol, that is original, i actually liked that one:thumbsup:

you don't own an Accord. trolls aren't allowed to drive.

:shakehead

oh snap, you got me, of corse i don,t, i don,t even exsist,

and i,m not a troll, i,m one of the ppl that made this country shitty as it is now, or so i was told by your beloved ravant,
i,m also a fvcking commie that shits on all achevments of this great nation, i was told that here too.
i,m also the stupides guy here, who never has a single clue what he is talking about, guess where i heard this one:icon12:
that is just off the top of my head.

but i don,t get mad, it entertains me, keep it comming

To the original poster j-body.org will be your best bet. You can swap brakes from a camaro or Neon there's lots of info on the website. Your best bet would be a simple 3400 swap and a supercharger if you want one. But like Ravant said unless you want to spend alot of money the car will never be a 10 second car.

oh snap, you got me, of corse i don,t, i don,t even exsist,

and i,m not a troll, i,m one of the ppl that made this country shitty as it is now, or so i was told by your beloved ravant,
i,m also a fvcking commie that shits on all achevments of this great nation, i was told that here too.
i,m also the stupides guy here, who never has a single clue what he is talking about, guess where i heard this one:icon12:
that is just off the top of my head.

but i don,t get mad, it entertains me, keep it comming

In communist Russia, you don't use apostrophes, apostrophes use you.

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Holy thread fail. From beginning to end.

I know your dieing to make this thing fast enuf to shut everyone up.You want it to be a sleeper but you say it already is.
What you need is a turbo,but good luck finding a turbo intake manifold for it.Just drive it as it is,stop buying parts.
Also no one thats a collector has cars like that.

What you need is a turbo,but good luck finding a turbo intake manifold for it.
I threw up a little bit laughing at this so much. :rotf:

I threw up a little bit laughing at this so much. :rotf:
dude i got my turbo intake manifold custom from ebayz! you put it on the intake so it gets colder air, duh.