Buschur Racing Mitsubishi Evo trap speed record run (http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos/10-21-07page-Buschur-Racing-Mitsubishi-Evo-trap-speed-record-run.htm)

are you serious?????
dude, a shop near mine has a car(that i bet cost less) that traps a 177 in the ****in 1/8 mile!!!!

World record for what? Slow-ass ecomony cars that people wasted money on to turn into dragsters? Saying that car has the world's record on ANYTHING is like saying that midget over there has the world record for the long jump. Well, for a midget that is...

World record my ass.

Cyco

busher is about an hour from me. closer to cyco. Sheffield lake I think

Dude, they're out near Norwalk. That's like 45 minutes from me.

You're talking about a car that isn't tubbed out, all stock body panels, just stripped and caged, with all lights, 5 speed stock transmission and capable of driving away from the drag strip with a change of tires. Plus, it'll hand any car it's ass on a road course with just a tweak of the suspension settings and another change of tires. I have not seen any domestic car that is as capable.

:rolleyes: Here we go again.

Dude - I'll take a Fiero GT with all stock body panels, no interior stripping (in fact, extra fiberglass IN the interior for added comfort), no roll-cage to speak of (stock chassis is 600 pounds and can see over 1.4 lateral G's without even so much half a degree of torsional twist.) and a turbocharged LE5 4-cylinder from a Cobalt and show you a domestic that will have no trouble spanking the shit out of any Evo around any road course.

Not satisfied with the fact that an LE5 4-cylinder has no trouble with it? Fine, I'll just swap in a domestic LS2, let the car weigh a little over 2720 pounds as a race weight, re-tune the suspension for the added weight in the rear, and push the LS2 to its top in performance capability, exceeding 1700 horsepower. I'll still have that domestic make your Evo look like crap.

Still not satisfied? Ultima GTR, powered by a 427 Chevy (read as: Domestic) Small-Block, 0-100-0 in 9.4 seconds, street legal. No Evo in the world can do that, and still be street legal.

Face it, the Evo's nice, if you want to be mediocre for the rest of your life, but let's put it this way, AWD is not the be-all-end-all of cars, and in fact, hurts around the autocross tracks (see also: Ferrari. Their top performers are MR, not MA. And I'm sorry, Mitsubishi is in no way better than Ferrari.) and sucks in top-speed competitions because of the extra rotational mass involved, not to mention the added weight and added parasitic loss of the extra differentials.

I have not seen any domestic car that is as capableThen your eyes must be glued to the bumper of that EVO because that car is dowright slow compared to a LOT of domestic street cars at the drags. And you're crazy if you think that car could hand anything its' ass on a road course with just a suspension tweak and some different tires. That's just pure propoganda.

I guess you live in some small place in the world where you haven't actually seen real cars. 9.09 seconds? So? The quickest domestic STREET cars run in the low 6's at over 240 mph. And it is not uncommon to see a domestic drive to the track, click off a high 7-second pass, and then drive home. You're bragging about a 9.09? My street car is almost that fast and I barely have $25K invested in it.

As for the 172 mph? That just shows how totally asanine that car is and how inefficient it is at the drags. If that car had any torque, and was set up for drag racing, it should be deep into the 7's. Are you sure the timing system wasn't screwed up? Because in order to run 172 mph in that car it had to be making about 1200 HP. I think they're just screwing around with us.

I also think you're a nutbar V8 guy. I also think you might be Suma, but I won't pass judgement just yet...

Cyco

Hahahaha, you obviously have no idea what you're spewing about Evolutions. Get your head out of redneck city and take a look at technology and then come back with your meaningless essays about dinosour accomplishments.

:rolleyes: Here we go again.

Dude - I'll take a Fiero GT with all stock body panels, no interior stripping (in fact, extra fiberglass IN the interior for added comfort), no roll-cage to speak of (stock chassis is 600 pounds and can see over 1.4 lateral G's without even so much half a degree of torsional twist.) and a turbocharged LE5 4-cylinder from a Cobalt and show you a domestic that will have no trouble spanking the shit out of any Evo around any road course.

Not satisfied with the fact that an LE5 4-cylinder has no trouble with it? Fine, I'll just swap in a domestic LS2, let the car weigh a little over 2720 pounds as a race weight, re-tune the suspension for the added weight in the rear, and push the LS2 to its top in performance capability, exceeding 1700 horsepower. I'll still have that domestic make your Evo look like crap.

Still not satisfied? Ultima GTR, powered by a 427 Chevy (read as: Domestic) Small-Block, 0-100-0 in 9.4 seconds, street legal. No Evo in the world can do that, and still be street legal.

Face it, the Evo's nice, if you want to be mediocre for the rest of your life, but let's put it this way, AWD is not the be-all-end-all of cars, and in fact, hurts around the autocross tracks (see also: Ferrari. Their top performers are MR, not MA. And I'm sorry, Mitsubishi is in no way better than Ferrari.) and sucks in top-speed competitions because of the extra rotational mass involved, not to mention the added weight and added parasitic loss of the extra differentials.
dude, your fiero isn,t going anywhere soon, finish it first. than will see how fast it is.
on the same token i can say, i can put 2 electic motors in my honda and outrun anyone, it is theoreticly very possible, but it is still just a trash talk untill i actually get it done.
lets compare things that exist in real life, not our imagination,

Hahahaha, you obviously have no idea what you're spewing about Evolutions. Get your head out of redneck city and take a look at technology and then come back with your meaningless essays about dinosour accomplishments.Haha! Typical ricer response. Technology. Like an EVO has any technology that can't be found on a muscle car. Whatever.

Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that you have not experienced life outside of a ricer magazine. Because you would not be defending this car if you did. Fact of the matter is, that car is mediocre at best, and certainly NOT a world record holder of anything. Unless you count being the quickest slow-ass import as a world record.

So how about you educate yourself before you start another flame war. Because right now you sound like just another ricer wannabe.

Cyco

trolls, ftl

Scroll down to the bottom where the higher classes are. ;)

http://www.silverstateclassic.com/results-07-sscc.html

V8's FTMFL

dude, your fiero isn,t going anywhere soon, finish it first. than will see how fast it is.

lets compare things that exist in real life, not our imagination,

Fine, then let's take MY Fiero out of this, and use the COUNTLESS Fieros that have been either LS1, LS2, LT1, LT4, Ecotec 2.2 turbo, Ecotec 2.0 S/C, 3800 S/C, 3.4 TDC Turbo, Carb'd 350 powered, that have all seen 0-60 in under 3.8 seconds and 100-0 in under 4 seconds, and have pushed upwards of 1.5 lateral-recorded g-forces or more, all on street tires, stock body panels, stock interior, and stock frame, with the spare tire/jack still in the front of the car. MY Fiero is far from the top echelon of Fiero performance, and will remain that way, because I've set myself a mediocre budget of $20,000. Other Fieros, with $35,000+ invested have already found the maximum limit of street tires (apparently 1.97 lateral G's) and are stable beyond 190 MPH, (found using a Corvette gauge cluster.) while accelerating from 0-60 in roughly 2.5 seconds. These Fieros are also using a longitudinally-mounted V8 with seriously beefed up parts in the rear, with about 100 pounds worth of reinforcement tubing across the back, and are running 7's in the 1/4, street legal. I'm not going to take my car to that length because I've given myself limits, and would like to see just how far I can take the car using said limits.

Hahahaha, you obviously have no idea what you're spewing about Evolutions. Get your head out of redneck city and take a look at technology and then come back with your meaningless essays about dinosour accomplishments.

As has been said, boy, typical ricer response. Fiero - 600 pound chassis, 2600 pound mid-engine, rear-drive car, combined with 2006-model-year 2.4 liter DOHC I4 with continuously variable valve timing (where each lobe on the cam can be phased over 90*) combined with a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid turbo, GM F40 6-speed manual transmission, fiberglass hood, deck-lid, and flush-mount headlights for weight reduction of roughly 150 pounds, with coilover struts on all four corners, 11" wide tires in the rear, 9" in the front. Cars like these have no trouble dominating IMSA races. In fact, the wide-body IMSA Fiero driven to this day, has only lost three of 512 races it's run since its first entry, two of those losses were due to DNF's, and one was due to another driver who was, frankly an a**hole and pushed it off the track with 16 laps to go. The car dropped back to 12th, and still came back for a 2nd place finish.

Get your head out of those ricer mags, kid, and take a look at real-world racing and technology, then come back and try to come back with your meaningless blathering about the Evo.

Fine, then let's take MY Fiero out of this, and use the COUNTLESS Fieros that have been either LS1, LS2, LT1, LT4, Ecotec 2.2 turbo, Ecotec 2.0 S/C, 3800 S/C, 3.4 TDC Turbo, Carb'd 350 powered, that have all seen 0-60 in under 3.8 seconds and 100-0 in under 4 seconds, and have pushed upwards of 1.5 lateral-recorded g-forces or more, all on street tires, stock body panels, stock interior, and stock frame, with the spare tire/jack still in the front of the car. MY Fiero is far from the top echelon of Fiero performance, and will remain that way, because I've set myself a mediocre budget of $20,000. Other Fieros, with $35,000+ invested have already found the maximum limit of street tires (apparently 1.97 lateral G's) and are stable beyond 190 MPH, (found using a Corvette gauge cluster.) while accelerating from 0-60 in roughly 2.5 seconds. These Fieros are also using a longitudinally-mounted V8 with seriously beefed up parts in the rear, with about 100 pounds worth of reinforcement tubing across the back, and are running 7's in the 1/4, street legal. I'm not going to take my car to that length because I've given myself limits, and would like to see just how far I can take the car using said limits.

boring, it has been done many times, nothing original, and too creative about it. i like different idea of yours, thou it isn,t as easy as putting v8 in fiero, but hell i like it.

Well - yeah, boring as hell, and has been done repeatedly, but the point is, the Fiero, combined with said engines, are still better than the Evo. By far. Hence was my point about bringing the car into the argument, because, while mine isn't finished, and won't be until I pay for getting my back fixed (pinched nerve is a BITCH.), others are finished, and others are embarrassing the crap out of cars that cost twice, or three times as much to build/buy than the Fiero was.

My plans are going to be seriously challenging because no one makes mounting kits for the LE5 and F40 when mated together, so I'm going to have to mix and match parts, custom-fab a lot of shit, and reinforce the engine torque struts. It's not easy, but the handling benefits will be more than well worth it. ;)

well, it depends, even if fiero has 2000hp engine, it still has only 2 seats, no trunk space, no awd(it does pay to have it on daily drives), and how much handling is good enough? 1g is more than most cars can do, as you claim fiero can match that with minor mods'
if you into heavy modding, it doesnt matter that much what car you use, sure some are better, some are worst, but if you really want to get it done ,you can make mid engine rwd v8 civic, or integra, sure with fwd and 4 cyl they have not much potential, but if one thinks out of the box, things change. all depends how far you willing to go.

I see where you're coming from, but by that logic, you're putting the Evo above a Ferrari Enzo (it's only got two seats, and is only RWD), which is not where it belongs. We're talking about the upper echelon of performance here, not utility. Yes, the Evo may be better as a beater-car, but as a top-end racer? No. It's not. It's AWD, top-heavy (in comparison to cars like the Fiero) among other issues.

Yes, you can make an MR-V8-Civic, but the added weight to a frame that's designed for FF along with all the rear-end reinforcements you'd have to do to make the thing work, would still limit the whole car in terms of handling performance. Hell, I've seen a Del-Sol turned MR in the past, and in order to get the rear end stiff enough, and to get the whole car stiff enough to handle decently, the car was put up over 2850 for a dry curb weight. Granted, that's not as heavy as the bloated-ass 3260 pound curb weight of an Evo, but it's still heavy for a car meant for autocross perfection.

The fact is, AWD is kept out of the top-end Ferraris for a reason. 3 differentials and a transmission cause a lot more losses than one differential and one transmission. The average difference is 25-30% for the AWD and 8-15% for the MR. Doesn't sound like a huge difference when talking about 100-300 horsepower, but when you start hitting the upper limits of power for these cars, between 800 and 1200, the difference in losses are STAGGERING.

oh boy :wall: another dumbass :tard:

Yes, you can make an MR-V8-Civic, but the added weight to a frame that's designed for FF along with all the rear-end reinforcements you'd have to do to make the thing work, would still limit the whole car in terms of handling performance. .

well, why stop on just engine, every thing else can be done as well, suspention for one, tubular frame welded to the body will support the engine and suspention, anything is possible.
fiero does have what most cars don,t.
but it ain,t fun, think about it, 4 wheel el, motors. even civic will benefit greatly, what used to be (still is, for now) an advantage like v8, displacment, turbo, sc, with wider use of electric motors, will disapear, you no longer have to have a heavy ass engine in the fronr(or back), you can control every wheel independetly, you got all tourge from 0rpm, sure batts are the heavy weight to carry around, but it is changing lipoly bats are light, even li ion, are awesome, but that is the problem, ppl think of el cars as huge pile of heavy batts. it doesn,t need to be that way, a small(v8 if you want) engine runs a unipolar gen, that will make power to drive el wheels. and acssesories(ac, ps, pb). that is i think the future, well in 5 -10 years will see if i,m right.

Scroll down to the bottom where the higher classes are.

http://www.silverstateclassic.com/results-07-sscc.html

V8's FTMFLHahah!!! Like I said, blind to reality buddy.

Cyco

This is sad. Most other forums with some truly quick cars like mustangforums have been congratulating buschur. Understand that buschur has had several seven second cars including a gnx and starrion. They also are the builders of the motor for John Shepherds Eagle Talon Tsi the worlds fastest AWD drag car oh and its street driven. Second as hard as it may be for some of you inbred rednecks to undertsand, the evo was built for rally and has won the United States Rally championship for several years. Furthermore this Buschur Evo has run 8.80 times and is not even the quickest evo. See amsperformance for the quickest. It is still quikcer than any car on here and it has NO NITROUS and is not tube chassis. Its an AWD sedan so you're comparing it to RWD V8s with NOS and tube chassis is pointless. It will eventually go 7s as other cars built by them have.The evo is not the worlds fastest car. but it is one of tbe quickest AWD 4 cylinder sedans out there.and until your car is faster than just stfu.

Never once compared to a tube-framed V8. Compared it to a stock-framed, non-tubbed, motor-swapped Fiero, where the only difference between a stock '88 GT and the modded one was a naturally-aspirated V8 and a 6-speed. There are turbo-4 Fieros that will have no trouble with any Evo in the autocross circuit. As for inbred rednecks? I'm sorry, I never realized that preferring Ferrari to Mitsubishi made people an inbred redneck.

I never realized that preferring the better car design to the worse car design was a problem. Face it, the Evo's worth nothing on the autocross circuit. MR>AWD any day of the week. Hell, I had a street-legal turbo-6 FWD land-barge that could out-handle that particular Evo in an autocross situation before a drunk took it out. I fail to see your point.

The claim was that the Evo was breaking a world record in trap speeds, and every one of us called bullshit, because it's not a world record. The Evo is not the world's fastest car, as you, yourself, have already stated. So quit trying to put it above cars that ARE faster.

I never said the evo is faster than any particular car and the thread states fastest evo trap record. Im just saying that its quick for an awd sedan and Buschur builds quick cars. The 2006 USTCC and NASA TTU were won by them last year. Your Fiero sounds like it will be very quick.

Just 2 clarify those two championships were held by evos not by buschur, sorry.

I'm hoping it will be, thanks. What was implied the first time this video was posted that it was a world record across a myriad of cars. Hence all of our responses in calling bullshit. 173 MPH is faster than, say, a 3500-pound FWD W-body could do in a trap, yes. But - when it was originally posted, it was implied that the Evo was breaking a world record in trap speeds across the board. Which, you and I both know, is not true.

Exactly. Nobody is disputing that the Buscher EVO is fast for a piece of crap 4-door 4-banger economy car. Heck, that thing is damned fast for one of those! What I am disputing is the "world record" claim on the video. Just what exactly is it a world record of? Fastest EVO? Because if so, then who cares? I could have the fastest Yugo on earth, it still wouldn't be cool. And to say that it's impressive is overstating things. It's average at best. Mediocre for a drag car. And probably gawdawful expensive to boot. It's a waste of time since it will never be as quick as its' competition, and it's a waste of money since you could build two or three of the cars that would blow it away in competition for the same amount of money they invested in that jalopy.

It's just a waste buddy. Not even worth the time to discuss.

Cyco

I want to see the Camaro that averaged 198 mph. cool.

I understand the evo is not the most ideal drag platform. But just because you dont like them or think theyre cool doesnt mean other people dont like them. I used to work at a GMC dealer and I like domestic muscle but I also like the rally heritage of the evo and sti and needed 4 doors and awd.

Understandable. Personally, I'd take an STi for rally racing in a heartbeat, but they're just not perfection for ALL racing. The other thought was to take another Fiero chassis, AWD-convert it, and raise it a bit on its suspension for rally racing. The mid-engine design and the relative light weight could make it the ideal platform. I've seen it done in the past, but have never heard of any off-road exploits yet. Guy's still tuning the supercharged 4-cylinder to make the power he thinks he needs.

That would be way fast. Maybe 2 fast 4 rally. Some guy wanted to make an ultima gtr awd but it was just too hard. It was a tough choice the sti or evo the sti is more reliable stock but once you mod the iron block on the evo holds more boost. I likem both though. Ill look forward to seeing the times on your fiero.

I understand the evo is not the most ideal drag platform. But just because you dont like them or think theyre cool doesnt mean other people dont like them. I used to work at a GMC dealer and I like domestic muscle but I also like the rally heritage of the evo and sti and needed 4 doors and awd.Understandable, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean it's a record holder of anything. I may not like them, but that doesn't mean what they posted was true. Hey, I like my Mini, but it's not like I post videos of it and say it's the best Mini out there.

Cyco

Lol point taken. A mini video would be sweet if it was beating down some exotics in an autocross course.

Have you ever seen one of these?

http://www.zcars.org.uk/mini/index.htm

They can be built up to 450+ HP and weigh only 1100 lbs. I bet that would beat up on some exotics on an autocross course.

Cyco

Have you ever seen one of these?

http://www.zcars.org.uk/mini/index.htm

They can be built up to 450+ HP and weigh only 1100 lbs. I bet that would beat up on some exotics on an autocross course.

Cyco
holy shit..
give me that frame, and a stock turbo out of a SRT-4, a ZX-14 Ninja motor, and ill give you the ride of your life.
WHEELIES FTW!!

Have you ever seen one of these?

http://www.zcars.org.uk/mini/index.htm

They can be built up to 450+ HP and weigh only 1100 lbs. I bet that would beat up on some exotics on an autocross course.

Cyco

Now that looks like a blast right there

If my wife would allow it, my Mini would be sporting a 500 HP turbo Busa motor right now. Ahh the hurtin' I would put on just about anyone in that thing would be priceless.

Cyco

Wow lets all pitch in and buy me one of those...lol. Alas cyclo..the joys of married life. Just tell her your motor blew and the 500hp motor was the cheapest you could find.