The new Impreza will have some HP gain...

WRX: 230HP (current: 227HP)
WRX STi: 385HP (current: 300HP)

Impreza WRX STi
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Impreza WRX
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that is quite nasty.

I miss the old 2.5RS now more than ever...

Looks like it'll be a grower, but dammit the WRX is a boy-racer car - why can't it look ****ing boy-racer-ish?

it does look boy racerish. I have never heard anyone say what you are saying.

i want to put my foot right thru that grille

edit: i do like those sti engine numbers tho

It doesn't look boy racerish, it looks like crap, the old 2.5RS looked boy racer without looking stupid.

This design is just an unbelievable travesty, the current one looks so bad you'd think they would only have to go up in the design stakes, but noooo.. some idiot penned that. I see an SUV/Van like creature while passing the subie dealership that looks like that, I guess its their new corporate face.

Haha, that grille kills me....Just when Subaru starts to grow and build a name for theirselves, they do something like this.

in all fairness, they got the headlights right this time, the headlights aren't offensive...

now if only they could work on the rest of the front...

LOL@these headlights that actually belong to the 2004' Fiat Palio...

http://www.novopalio.com.br/img/album/pop_a4.jpg

The headlights and front design in general scream Pontiac Grand Am. The power numbers are staggering for the STi if they are accurate.

Subaru has really been monkey-****ing their designs in the past few years. Shame they've settled on the fugly corporate grille intent on ruining their relative good looks.

Well, if you want a good-looking Impreza you can always go for the Saab 9-2. And Subarus have never been pretty anyway.

Yes, especially with the rebates they are offering thanks to its abysmal sales. Subarus have never been sexy, but much the same can be said for most of the vehicles of their Japanese competitors. Their new direction however, with the fugly grille and the Tribeca is.

I haven't paid any attention to the Saab/Subaru rebadging forms...are there any high-performance subaru models in saab form?

If they do it with the upcoming models it'd be nice since the Saabs have a nice look and you can avoid the whole dragonballz image...

Speaking of Saab, their new SUV is actually fairly handsome, but too much starting at 38k.

The Saab 9-2x is essentially a WRX wagon with better looking skin.

The Saab 9-2x. For specs, click here (http://www2.saabusa.com/92x/features.asp?start=modelhome).

it's not too terrible, the Sti makers the bets use of the new frint, the normal Impreza does scream Tribeca though. Maybe it's just the blue. Either way, you can't argue with an 85 hp gain. Assuming the price is similar, it'll eat any Evo.

not if they still use the same 2.5liter engine which is garbage....it'll be 385hp and there won't be much tuning headroom after that where as the 4G63 in the evo is much stronger and a hellavu lot more tuneable.

385hp with a full warranty...stfu, ruch.

However, this new design makes the Evo look almost handsome.

anyone have pictures of the interior?

lol get real chester, I have more power than that with mods that are dealer authorized. well at least the mods that can be seen...

lol, sure you do...your dealer authorized mods are producing 100hp...lololololol. What "mods" are authorized by your dealer?

like I said, all that they can see... it has an exhaust which they say is perfectly fine. but it also has cams and engine management which aren't ok, but they can't see those...

lol Ruch, just because it's something they can see, doesn't always mean it's an "authorized" modification. I can guarantee if you had a naturally aspirated engine and slapped on a turbo, nitrous, or a supercharger, they would drop the warranty faster than a bad habit. Specifically, no modification is "authorized" but can be generally dismissed if it's something that's not going to put strain on the mechanicals, like full exhaust and high flow airbox and whatnot... so if it's something they can't see, what are you gonna do if they need to take the engine apart for whatever reason and discover the modifications you did that they would consider "taboo"?

lol Ruch, just because it's something they can see, doesn't always mean it's an "authorized" modification. I can guarantee if you had a naturally aspirated engine and slapped on a turbo, nitrous, or a supercharger, they would drop the warranty faster than a bad habit. Specifically, no modification is "authorized" but can be generally dismissed if it's something that's not going to put strain on the mechanicals, like full exhaust and high flow airbox and whatnot... so if it's something they can't see, what are you gonna do if they need to take the engine apart for whatever reason and discover the modifications you did that they would consider "taboo"?

lol Ruch, just because it's something they can see, doesn't always mean it's an "authorized" modification. I can guarantee if you had a naturally aspirated engine and slapped on a turbo, nitrous, or a supercharger, they would drop the warranty faster than a bad habit. Specifically, no modification is "authorized" but can be generally dismissed if it's something that's not going to put strain on the mechanicals, like full exhaust and high flow airbox and whatnot... so if it's something they can't see, what are you gonna do if they need to take the engine apart for whatever reason and discover the modifications you did that they would consider "taboo"?

lol Ruch, just because it's something they can see, doesn't always mean it's an "authorized" modification. I can guarantee if you had a naturally aspirated engine and slapped on a turbo, nitrous, or a supercharger, they would drop the warranty faster than a bad habit. Specifically, no modification is "authorized" but can be generally dismissed if it's something that's not going to put strain on the mechanicals, like full exhaust and high flow airbox and whatnot... so if it's something they can't see, what are you gonna do if they need to take the engine apart for whatever reason and discover the modifications you did that they would consider "taboo"?

wow are you missing the point here..? the dealer has specifically said an exhaust and intake and acceptable mods, but nothing else. of those I have an exhaust, but I also have cams and engine management which they can't see.

of course if I slap on a big turbo its going to be visable and void the warranty... and should I need serious warranty work the cams will come out and the engine management will return to stock...

The ECM I can understand, but isn't the cam gonna be a hassle just to take it to the dealer for whatever repairs so they think it was all still stock?

not really... its an overhead cam system, not only that, we've had the car for over 2 years with no problems so I doubt anything will come up in the less than a year left on the warranty.

Okay, I forgot you had overhead cams. And 385 HP isn't a bad number either. :) CJ from Dynopro was telling me I could see nearly 400 HP to the wheels if I got a good cam, but I surely don't have the cash to plunk down for that. I really need to focus on lightweight wheels and good rubber. What good is all that power if I can't get the car to hook up? ;) I saw this cool set from Billet Specialties. http://www.billetspecialties.com/itemdetail.asp?cid=16&scid=1&pid=723 They cost a good chunk of change, but I'll just need to worry about that a little later.

Okay, I forgot you had overhead cams. And 385 HP isn't a bad number either. :) CJ from Dynopro was telling me I could see nearly 400 HP to the wheels if I got a good cam, but I surely don't have the cash to plunk down for that. I really need to focus on lightweight wheels and good rubber. What good is all that power if I can't get the car to hook up? ;) I saw this cool set from Billet Specialties. They cost a good chunk of change, but I'll just need to worry about that a little later or possibly find a really kick ass deal on a set of 4.

like I said, all that they can see... it has an exhaust which they say is perfectly fine. but it also has cams and engine management which aren't ok, but they can't see those...

lol, yeah, blow the engine and then do hours and hours of labors and try to convince the dealer it was the stock parts....sounds as good as a totally factory 385hp.

Hehehe... Totally owned.

if you say so....... people in the market for evos and stis care a lot about tuneability. and a couple of hours of labor is well worth not spending thousands of dollars...

lol...dude, lay off the crack. You think if something at all significant happens with your internals that a "couple hours of labor" could clean up the mess and put back the engine together with the stock parts? Where are you going to get all the necessary tools to do all this anyway? And do you think the mechanics are so inept that they couldn't figure out something was wrong? You've got whatever damage and then you've got these other parts that look like they were just installed.

lol and don't pretend you and your dad are going to do this labor either. you'll be bringing it to whatever tuner or shop will do this shit for you and then you'll be paying them labor.

lol, the evo is cool and easy to make powerful, but it's not magic...

LOL, Ruch you are just about an idiot...

Eitherway I don't belive the STI will be pushing that much HP. I'd have to get the info from a far better source than Timpo. If it is, I'll I've two friends who will be quite pissed.

The power alone will likely send it into a new price braket.

man please, I worked at a ****ing car dealership service department I know they work. They'll try act tough about this shit, but if a customer were to get rowdy they'd always back down and do shit for them. If you go in there demanding things you will most likely get your way.

For example my friend blew his transfer case by launching the car way too many times and he has mods and he got a warranty on that.

No me and my dad don't do the labor, one of our friends is the ex-Vishnu mechanic he does all the work for dirt cheap. Paying him $100 to switch out the cams is better than paying thousands because there is something wrong with the engine.

lol@$100 bucks...you know he won't do shit for that cheap. If he knew you well enough to do it for $100 he'd just do it for free.

blah blah, you're full of shit...and even if you can get your shit "dirt cheap" it doesn't apply to all Evo owners. Your fundamental argument is retarded, which is that 380hp from Evo mods is the same as a stock, worry-free 385hp.

well he has already done it....I guess should just go ask for my money back....

But you are right, that doesn't apply to most people and they'd get charged more, even if it was $400 which I think maybe the going rate, your still better off. The STi 385hp warranty is ironclad and with an evo with that much power you'd have to work on it. but the issue of warranty is something I consider pretty moot, every car we've ever had we've never had a serious warranty claim, the Evo's CD player skipped thats about it. its a nice thing to fall back on.

as for my argument its more based on whats the better car, if the STi came with 385hp but on the same engine it currently uses, I'd still take a 275hp evo. the 2.5 liter subaru motor is trash, after that 385hp there isn't much further to go. From a sales point of view its nice to have a car with "room". Unfortunately the public perception is that the STi has more tuneability because of the larger engine and still gets lots of sales.

its like buying an RX-8 or WRX, the RX-8 has more standard hp but the WRX is a lot more tuneable to the point where it can make significantly more than the RX-8. In a market like the STi and Evo's, tuneability is extremely important.

lol@calling the engine trash as if you have the faintest idea...

anyway, do you even realize how much 385 hp is? STFUUUUUUUUP

I think you should give up Ruch, it's obvious you like Evo's more, and that's cool it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you've gone a little over-board.

The 2.0 and 2.5 Subaru engines are probably 2 of the strongest 4 cylinders ever made.

but the issue of warranty is something I consider pretty moot,

Until you blow your engine.

It's an uphill battle and you're losing.

Any dumbass tech can easily see that you've done shit.

Not to mention how hardcore mitsu on the EVO. So much so they had to publically claim they don't go to sporting events just to take plates and void people.

Boxer 2.5 really isn't that bad of a motor. It is no 4g63, but it is also considerably larger likely not as expensive.

the 2.0 subie motor is strong especially the 2.0 JDM STi motor, thats a beast of an engine. but their 2.5 US sti motor is pretty weak.

Well, eitherway I'm sure it is no 4g63...

It'd be nice if Mitsu would answerback by simply letting us have what Europe gets in the FQ models. Even with this Subbie, the FQ400 is still the quickest sedan from a mass production company. It also comes with a 3 year badge... to help keep it on the road.

Is the FQ400 quickest than the S65?

Thats a good question lol, I haven't been able to find any test results of the S65 (which I would assume is the fastest 4 door). It should run high 11s on a good day I would guess.

Official information says the S65 is capable of 0-100 km/h in 4,4sec. Top speed is limited to 250 km/h, but it can easily hit numbers close to 300 km/h. I won't say the S65 goes further than that because the S-Klasse is really a massive car.

I might be a little off here but I think this comparison would be pretty much as put a Lotus Exige - terribly quick, agile and light - against a Lambo MurcielÃ*go - big, heavy, superpower supercar.

well, first of all, the chances of a 385hp STi coming from Subaru this year are somewhere between slim and none. Thats due to the fact that the engine is the exact same EJ257 "trash motor" that we've been getting already. The only possible addition, though not yet guaranteed for the USDM STi is intake and exhaust AVCS instead of just intake side. Basically variable valve on both sides instead of one. The entire car is just about the same, with the only changes coming to the exterior. The interior is exactly the same, with maybe only small differences. The JDM cars will have more color options for the interior, but we will most likely get the watered down selection of cars as usual. The big difference will be that the WRX will get the 2.5 that comes from the Forester XT and will be rated at 230hp. There will also be a stripped down WRX "tuner edition" or something (SOJ President spoke about this, but did not give many details). Lots of guessing games going on in other forums on the new numbers, although its generally accepted that the STi will keep its 300/300, since Mitsubishi didn't surpass those numbers with the Evo IX.

Now, about the STi's EJ257 being "trash" compared to the Evo's 4G63. Tuning may be a large part of the draw for potential STi and Evo buyers. I think so, since Ive already spent over $7k on my <1yr old STi. The thing is that not alot of owners of STi's are willing to drop their warranty right away by putting new cams in, or gettin a reflash, or by doing some of the more intrusive mods. I chose to get a reflash and a turboback exhaust, which my dealership has no problem with. They also don't mind my new brakes, brake lines, sway bars, coilovers... That story is usually different over at the Mitsu dealers (I have some friends with Evo's). Sometimes it seems that Mitsubishi will void your warranty for puttin 94octane in the tank, or possibly even for speeding. Its well known that your Evo's clutch will not be covered under any circumstances, and Mitsu has reinforced this by adding "launch control" to the Evo IX, making it impossible to drop the clutch from redline (not that I condone any of that). But clutches aren't engines, so back on topic.

The simple fact is that the 4G63 is a time proven motor, which has been experimented on for years. The EJ257 is in its second year of development and already we are seeing 500+whp stock block STi's without the use of nitrous. I wouldn't call that trash. Maybe you don't like the car for personal reasons or whatever, but callin the STi's motor trash is pushin it a bit.

Sometimes it seems that Mitsubishi will void your warranty for puttin 94octane in the tank, or possibly even for speeding.

Incredible, big-time, BS.

that was an exagerration, but they have voided warranties for auto-x in the past... I mean, if you can't even auto-x your Evo, what can you do with it?

Yah lots of Mitsu dealers across the country are pretty strict. However, I still firmly believe that the STi 2.5l motor is worthless in comparison to the 4G63, it just can't hold power unless you build it.

The 2005 Evo 8's have this launch control too. It turned out to be the absolute perfect launch point for an evo with an exhaust or reflash or both. However, with cams the 5k max launch put the car out of the power band. I know some companies are trying to bypass this control right now.

And the evo clutch is horrible for launching and stuff, it gets disintergrated pretty fast. The stock clutch is fine for a little bit more than 400hp so long as you don't drop it all the time.

BTW, who is your reflash from?

Cobb tuning stage II 93 octane reflash, with a street tuner for custom tunes.

Im not sure why you feel that the EJ257 doesn't make power unless built. My car, after $900 spent, put down 282/307 at the wheels. That was strictly a downpipe and a reflash. I mean, thats no huge power, but from where I am now, all I need is injectors, fuel pump, and a 20G and Im in the 11's (well, other people are in the 11's with that setup). Youre talkin over 370whp and approaching 400 on torque. If thats not good enough for you, especially when looking at the torque curve from having 2.5 liters, then you need a V8 or a Supra. I think thats plenty power, and I know people who have no reliability problems with that setup and a stock clutch.

Granted, the 4G63 will make enormous power. I don't dispute that. But it makes enormous 1/4 mile power. The highly tuned Evo with a huge turbo and huge boost has a dyno graph like this: /`---- Not exactly what you'd want on an autoX course, or a road course, but very capable of running 9's.

282 on what dyno..?

Maybe you don't like the car for personal reasons or whatever, but callin the STi's motor trash is pushin it a bit.
I dont really like scooby motors but you're right, they are not anywhere near trash. But as far as flat engine goes, i would prefer if they were built by a certain german company.
But IMO 4G63 is the way to go if you wanna go serious HP with combined reliablity. They warranty for evo in US might sucks but for the rest of of the world (namely UK) it's one of their strongest selling point. Like TMP said, where can you get 400bhp tuned car with 3 year warranty? It show how reliablethe 4g63s are. Maybe in the US it sucked a bit because of the general driving attitude.. I dunno, just my opinion.

Dynojet I think. That's the dyno numbers I've seen for a lot of LS1 cars. Stock LS6 might be around 290 something, 300 or so for the SS models.

Dynojet is right. Good guess birthday boy!

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wODY3NjAxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

official specs released on the '06s today. Basically, the STi is exactly the same except a sensor on the steering and the exterior styling. More info can be found here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811378

So has Subie addressed the problems they were having with their transmissions grenading? Will the new STi transmission be able to soak up that extra 85hp?

Turbo Rex how has your transmission held up so far? Have you done any kinds of medium launches?

STi tranny's are awesome, its the engine that blows up. A regular WRX on the hand, their tranny's shatter.

And the difference between a STi tranny and a WRX tranny is? Just curious. I have heard bad things about the WRX tranny, and would think the same towards the STi tranny.

the STi tranny is a completely different 6-speed unit which is really strong. leagues ahead of the 5-speed in the regular WRX.

The tranny is rock solid. The weak part on the engine is the cast rods that go with high boost. By high boost I mean more boost than most STis will ever run. The new engine however, has forged rods so that should fix some of those problems. There is no hp increase, the car has the same 300/300 as this year. They have however added a steering sensor for the DCCD so that it is more accurate in auto mode.

And to answer your question about launches. This car soaks up launches. On an 85 degree day at 90% humidity (why did I even bother?) the car still spit out 1.8 60' times (5k, sidestep clutch, watch the world go out of focus...) even though it had no power due to the weather. Mid to high 13s are the best I saw, which was quite a bit better than the SRT-4's that were seeing the 16s due to weather. Of course, my friend with an ITR swapped Si had no problems, running 13.9 at 100mph.

Well thank you for that clarification REX. The STi is looking more and more impressive against the EVO. That personal opinion thought.

By the way REX beautiful color choice on your STi. The beach makes from some great background against that color.