View Full Version : For how long will Ferrari reign?
Nogger
04-15-2002, 09:06 AM
We have seen thru out the history of F1 several teams that have been unstoppable for some years and what we see before us is yet another one. The most recent one McLaren and Williams -97.
Last year Ferrari totally dominated which led to another championship victory for Shumacher. This is almost back when Alain Prost was the champ - nobody expected him to NOT win which made it all a bit boaring in a way.
Ferrari has Bridgestone and with Shumacher and him team I think they will keep there dominance for atleast some more time. They have truly shown how a team is to 100% dependent on the results - car - engine - tactics.
Williams will catch up - but the question is when.
M Prophet
04-15-2002, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Nogger
% dependent on the results - car - engine - tactics.
Williams will catch up - but the question is when.
Not if they don't have the same type of relationship with Michelin as Ferrari does with Bridgestone, which as one reporter put it, there has never been a relationship in motorsports ever before. Their tires ARE the reason why they're at the top, of course having the best driver in the world makes sure their advantage is realized every time.
RacingManiac
04-15-2002, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by M Prophet
Not if they don't have the same type of relationship with Michelin as Ferrari does with Bridgestone, which as one reporter put it, there has never been a relationship in motorsports ever before. Their tires ARE the reason why they're at the top, of course having the best driver in the world makes sure their advantage is realized every time.
Tire is not THE reason(one of the reason).....As shown in Brazil and Malaysia, Michelin's rubber does have it's charm at certain track, it's just this weekend at Imola it suited Ferrari's Bridgestone well....(Notice how Sauber and BAR also performing well, also Bridgestone shod car....). Rather say Bridgestone is THE reason why Ferrari is good, one should think Ferrari is the only Bridgestone team that has the ability to make use of their tire when it is NOT the best on the field....Much like in 1998 when Ferrari was the only top team still on Goodyear....
Nogger
04-16-2002, 08:08 AM
I doubt that tire is everything. Look at their cars - aerodynamics - engine.
How many times were Ferrari forced to stop due to mechanical faliurs.
M Shumacher finished 17 out 18.
M Prophet
04-16-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by RacingManiac
Tire is not THE reason(one of the reason).....As shown in Brazil and Malaysia, Michelin's rubber does have it's charm at certain track, it's just this weekend at Imola it suited Ferrari's Bridgestone well....(Notice how Sauber and BAR also performing well, also Bridgestone shod car....). Rather say Bridgestone is THE reason why Ferrari is good, one should think Ferrari is the only Bridgestone team that has the ability to make use of their tire when it is NOT the best on the field....Much like in 1998 when Ferrari was the only top team still on Goodyear....
Of course it's not the only reason, but it's what is separating them from BMW, who has a comparable if not superior car.
Tom J.
04-18-2002, 06:07 AM
Yeah, when it comes to speed, handling and design, ferraris are pretty hard to beat. I read some article about Carrol Shelby when he got the idea of stuffing a big 427 into that tiny ass car. Enzo Ferrari wasn't too amused by that seeing that Shelby Cobra kicked Enzo's ass 5 times in a row. And now, Ferrari is coming out with a 250 MPH concept. If that thing sees production, imagine how fast it would be in race trim.
imported_John
04-19-2002, 12:43 PM
Yep, the 2003 car is underway and for the frst time in F1 history an F1 car and tire manufacturer are design the car together to extract the maximum grip from the tire with the most consistant wear possible.
The F2002 performs extremely well on Bridgestones. If you notice when Schumacher crossed the finish line, the grooves were still deep.
RacingManiac
04-19-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by John
Yep, the 2003 car is underway and for the frst time in F1 history an F1 car and tire manufacturer are design the car together to extract the maximum grip from the tire with the most consistant wear possible.
The F2002 performs extremely well on Bridgestones. If you notice when Schumacher crossed the finish line, the grooves were still deep.
I'll bet Honda, Jordan, and Sauber are pretty pissed about that.....
M Prophet
04-19-2002, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by RacingManiac
I'll bet Honda, Jordan, and Sauber are pretty pissed about that.....
I'd include McLaren in there.
RacingManiac
04-19-2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by M Prophet
I'd include McLaren in there.
The reason I said that was because all 3 of those teams are still running Bridgestone. If Bridgestone develop tire solely for Ferrari's advantage, the other Bridgestone runner will be pretty pisses(well Sauber is not allowed to have an opinion....)
imported_John
04-19-2002, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by RacingManiac
I'll bet Honda, Jordan, and Sauber are pretty pissed about that.....
Well Honda has it's own problems trying to build a competitive engine while Toyota pisses all over them. Jordan will well be extinct becuase of Honda. Sauber have a good designed chassis, they could very will adapt to the tires. Like you said, they're getting championship winning engines/transmisions, they won't say anything.
It does seem though that Ferrari has a MASSIVE advantage when working with Bridgestone on the next car. It's pretty much being built around the tires this time.
Nogger
04-22-2002, 10:34 AM
Are Goodyear getting in their? I heard a rumour - is this true?
That would really mix things up.
This competition between the several tire manufacturers have pushed the tecnology one step ahead so now the streettyres for regular cars are better - that's pretty cool...
I think McLaren was wrong when they switched to Michelin, well, I know that it was wrong now that I have the facts.
imported_John
04-22-2002, 12:37 PM
Last year it was a rumour especially when McLaren were deciding on tire choice. McLaren was at a disadvantage either way. Michelin was probably their best choice I think.
Nogger
04-22-2002, 03:34 PM
yeah. Williams - Ferrari.
They sat in a bad position.
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