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Schumi was wheel to wheel and Montoya squeezed him onto the rumble strips...he's almost on the grass. No wonder he had trouble with understeer he only had 2 wheel on the track.

Stop bitching, it was Schumi as usual squeezing into where he didn't have position. Show the whole video, then we'll see whose fault it was. Besides Schumi has pulled so many aggressive moves that to complain about this would be blasphemy.

Probably is schumies fault, but thats racing these things will happen:rolleyes:

If he (Schumi) was tryin to squeeze in, it is his fault.

Originally posted by M Prophet
Stop bitching, it was Schumi as usual squeezing into where he didn't have position. Show the whole video, then we'll see whose fault it was. Besides Schumi has pulled so many aggressive moves that to complain about this would be blasphemy.

Listen you ****ing idiot, before your brand loyality blinds yours your dumb ass any furher...consider this;

http://www.f1-video.kiev.ua/corner1st-gv.html

Here's a multiple shot of the the incident. Notice how Schumi is wheel to wheel and on the INSIDE of Montoya. Notice how Montoya has squeezed Schumi almost entirely onto the rubmle strip. Don;t you think he could had easily not cut in so much and left enuf room for both cars to make it around the first corner. He stayed on the racing line, even when he had a car right beside him.

Montoya was clearly lucky that his car didn't get damaged along with Michael's car. All this means it that he'll continue to take these big risks and this will result in more incidents like this but maybe next time he won't be so lucky. I welcome this competition challenging Schumacher but he keeps doing this Ralf will have an advantage over them. Malaysia is a clear example.

I'll accept it as a "racing incident" atleast Schumacher has, Montoya still insists it wasn't his fault at all. So don't try and insult me if that's all you got to bring to this thread.

F1 would be a whole lot more interesting if that sort of thing was allowed.

Originally posted by John


Listen you ****ing idiot, before your brand loyality blinds yours your dumb ass any furher...consider this;

http://www.f1-video.kiev.ua/corner1st-gv.html

Here's a multiple shot of the the incident. Notice how Schumi is wheel to wheel and on the INSIDE of Montoya. Notice how Montoya has squeezed Schumi almost entirely onto the rubmle strip. Don;t you think he could had easily not cut in so much and left enuf room for both cars to make it around the first corner. He stayed on the racing line, even when he had a car right beside him.

Montoya was clearly lucky that his car didn't get damaged along with Michael's car. All this means it that he'll continue to take these big risks and this will result in more incidents like this but maybe next time he won't be so lucky. I welcome this competition challenging Schumacher but he keeps doing this Ralf will have an advantage over them. Malaysia is a clear example.

I'll accept it as a "racing incident" atleast Schumacher has, Montoya still insists it wasn't his fault at all. So don't try and insult me if that's all you got to bring to this thread.

Whoa there champ, I wouldn't want "yours your" brand loyalty to get in the way now. Man some idiots such as yourself are really fun to watch. Your outburst was so childish and amusing, because it had all had to do with backing uncle "Schumi," especially since you just accused me of having my brand loyalty influence my opinion. Tsk tsk tsk little guy. Listen kid, watch your has ******* of a hero Schumacher's races throughout his career, he has done much worse than this. Montoya had the line and a chance to put back Schumacher and he took advantage of it, much like Shoe-****er would have done. Racing is not about leaving enough room for the other guy because he's somewhere he shouldn't be, Schumacher should have backed off and accepted that he got taken. The clip shows nothing, do you even have a diagram of where they usually apex and the line they take? Otherwise those clips are dogshit.

Man that first sentence was classic, what are you going to come back with this time. I'm on the edge of my seat!

You're both known for brand royalty, so you should both STFU :)

This is how I see it...it's a racing incident. Montoya didn't give enough room while Schumacher didn't want to slow down and give up his space. Running on the curb didn't make him understeer becuase the inside wheels contribute very little grip anyways. It was a dumb penalty and even Michael agrees with that. And he really should, as he's the one who should be getting a stop and go for the 'chop'.

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No the funny thing is that you M Prophet don't realize that your just as bad as me when it comes to brand loyalty. It was your uncalled for outburst that got me fired up then you try to accuse me of being childish. Pfff why don't you step back a sec take a look in the mirror and discover a few things about yourself that everybody else on this board already knows.

ANyways, like I said it's a racing incident, it's 50/50 but because I'm going for Schumi I'm obviously on his bandwagon. and vise versa. Here's another multiple frame shot of Montoya's on board view.

http://www.f1-video.kiev.ua/corner1st-ob.html

As you see Schumacher didn't back down and Montoya could had avoided the collision but he continued on the racing line. Maybe he didn't see him. You're arguement is that he shoulda backed off, because Montoya had the racing line. Schumacher had the inside line and was virtually toe to toe commiting into the corner. In fact Montoya did know Schumacher was there because in his post race interview he said that he gave Schumacher enuf room to go by. Schumacher said he didn't. Montoya should had given more room if he expected to make it unscathed.

So bring it M I'm waiting.

My view had nothing to do with brand loyalty buddy. My view had to do with how any true ****ing racer approaches a race, this sport isn't about letting people in and keeping your paint pretty. Schumacher would not have let Montoya in, if you think he would you don't know him.

Oh and you think you know something about me do you? I may have brand loyalty, but at least I can be objective unlike some people here. There's a difference between touting a brand and not being able to give an honest assesment of it against another or letting it influence my decision. Everyone on this board knows the Ferrari freaks are more fanatical....

Bring what? I never spewed a line of childish insults.

i thought it was schumi's fault

Originally posted by M Prophet
My view had nothing to do with brand loyalty buddy. My view had to do with how any true ****ing racer approaches a race, this sport isn't about letting people in and keeping your paint pretty. Schumacher would not have let Montoya in, if you think he would you don't know him.

Oh and you think you know something about me do you? I may have brand loyalty, but at least I can be objective unlike some people here. There's a difference between touting a brand and not being able to give an honest assesment of it against another or letting it influence my decision. Everyone on this board knows the Ferrari freaks are more fanatical....

Bring what? I never spewed a line of childish insults.

Well I don't fall under your typical Ferrrari fanatic. You say it like it's a fact. I to can make clear judgements pal, don't assume this time isn't one of those cases. I wasn't bitching I talking about a soemthing controversial. Next time keep your attitude tucked in so we don't have to go thourgh this shit everytime.

Too.

I'll try to keep it tucked in.

Originally posted by John


Well I don't fall under your typical Ferrrari fanatic. You say it like it's a fact. I to can make clear judgements pal, don't assume this time isn't one of those cases. I wasn't bitching I talking about a soemthing controversial. Next time keep your attitude tucked in so we don't have to go thourgh this shit everytime.

Dude, Montoya got a drive-trough penalty, so what do you whine anyway. And to be quite honest, you are blinded by your brand-loyalty. I saw that at carforums.com a year ago, and it hasn't changed since.....

Are you Ukrainian or something, John? site looks like it

I'm a schumi/ferrari fan, and can't stand Montoya, so I'm already biased. I've placed bets the last few races hoping that Montoya DNF's due to a spin out.

Whoever's fault it was, I think perside said it best:

Montoya didn't give enough room while Schumacher didn't want to slow down and give up his space.

But its quite amazing really.. schumi came all the way from 21st up to 3rd to take a podium stand. THAT was amazing!

I`ve said this before, it was pure and simply a racing incident. But it does seem to me that Schumacher was thinking that Montoya would yeild, and Schumacher was wrong.

Big Schuey did just like Little Schuey in Australia, tried to win the race in the 1st corner.

It was Barichello's fault in Oz damnit! :)

Originally posted by persid
It was Barichello's fault in Oz damnit! :)

Barrichello was just as responsible as Ralf was...

There was another incident this week, what do you guys have to say about it??

I think that Montoya was responsible for it this time, but he doesn't deserve any penalty what so ever.