What is this rally event? I read about it in Raod and tracks Jan issue. Where is it in Maine and how come i've never heard of it, living in Maine and all.

It's probably part of the SCCA Pro Rally series, the premium North American Rally Championship.....

is it as exciting as the WRC, WRCjr or the APRC series?
most probably not, i watched one of the events before, and it's kinda lame....

Originally posted by McLarenFan
is it as exciting as the WRC, WRCjr or the APRC series?
most probably not, i watched one of the events before, and it's kinda lame....

It's just not as glamourous, which accounts only for commercialism. The series is mainly participated by Privateers. But in the last few years saw factory effort by Hyundai with their Open Class Tiburon, and recently with Subaru/Prodrive fielding an Open Class WRX, and a Group N WRX.

Another thing to point out is that this series do not run pace notes. Which makes the racing much much more difficult than WRC.

I always felt there was something distinctly unglamorous about WRC.

WRC is not about glamour, it's about skills...

the reason it dont need pace notes is because the path is cleary marked. as i told you, i've already watch this espn2 sometime ago, not as exiting as the rally racing on the other part of the world. the SCCA seems like hillclimb on normal road, another reason why it doesn't need pace notes.

Originally posted by McLarenFan
WRC is not about glamour, it's about skills...


I know.

I wish I could see the Pikes Peak hillclimb. That must be fun.

man, you should see the hillclimb. esp when the Escudo in action. this year they failed to break the 9minute record coz of flat tyres, but the "Monster" vows he'll be back next year to break it. but it's kinda funny watching all those f-body and mustangs doing the hill climb.... porsche in the other end proves that they are still the force to reckoned with in rally.

Anyone have a address for the SCCA because I want to go to one of the events in Maine.

Originally posted by McLarenFan
WRC is not about glamour, it's about skills...

the reason it dont need pace notes is because the path is cleary marked. as i told you, i've already watch this espn2 sometime ago, not as exiting as the rally racing on the other part of the world. the SCCA seems like hillclimb on normal road, another reason why it doesn't need pace notes.

Right.....I beg to differ.

First do you know what pace notes are? Unlike most of the route notes you get in Rally games, where it says something like(in CMR2 for example), 5 right, 4 left and stuff like that. Pace notes in WRC not only tells the driver that, since they get to "pre-run" the stages before the actual run, the pace notes includes more specific information like rock location, mid corner bumps and other more specific stuff. In SCCA rally, all you get is the route notes that tells you the severety of the corners and the speed. Nothing more. And they don't allow to pre-run the course. So essentially they run them blind.

WRC now is more safety concious than ever, most of the night special stage are deemed too dangerous and was cancelled. In SCCA rally, they run night stages constantly. And the route are anything but "normal". Mainly the stages are gravel and mud. They don't usually have tarmac. And most of the time the stages are much less "prepped" for the rally, so I doubt it's more clearly marked. And since the cars are not allowed to run sequential gearboxes in SCCA rally(Subaru's new WRC Open Class spec car have them and they run it in its first 2 event, but were later asked to remove them), it's all honest clutch work and "skills".

I got regular coverage on Speedvision, and other than the fact that the cars don't look nearly as fancy(privateer with little in sponsorship), the racing is good.

miss comm i see...
of course i know what is pace notes is, and FYI i dont like CMR. not realistic at all, too arcadey.

on the which one is more dangerous..... do you know that WRC drives storm any rally stages 2 times faster any other rally on earth? of course it got cancelled if you watching Grongholm storms his pug @ 200kmh regularly on the rally of great britan. When tommi rashed his car @ corsica he was doing 110mph!!! on a path no wider than 2 meter! so WRC IMO got to be very consious about the safety of spectators and drivers.

when you're defending the NARC, it's like you defending CART against F1.... same format 9open wheel racing) but diff ball game.

Of course it's different ball game, that much I know and understand. When you have a championship running on a world stage, you need to BE the best series of the kind in the world. But to dismiss a perfectly fine championship because it's not up to WRC standard is just not fair. It's a regional championship. It's quality will definetely be on par with the standrad with other regional championship in other parts of the world. WRC is fast because of the money(like F-1). Full factory effort from Citroen/Peugeot, Mitsubishi, Ford, Subaru, Skoda....with all their fancy equipment like active anti rollbar, active dampening, active front/rear diff, electronically controlled sequential gear selection...etc. These are full factory effort, not privateer effort with a family team or some small town rally team can afford. They use the same car year after year, they don't have multimillion dollar development fund. Of course they are not in the same ball park.

If WRC IS at SCCA's level, it'll be a joke.

I find these smaller events much more exciting.

ermm.... one question RM, do you race/drive as well as your knowledge about racing.? if you know what i mean...

Originally posted by McLarenFan
ermm.... one question RM, do you race/drive as well as your knowledge about racing.? if you know what i mean...

I am more of a nerd.....I read, watch TV about racing and cars....but don't really have a chance to drive a whole lot and let alone race......but hey, my goal is to be an engineer, so I guess that'll be ok....

Oh i see.... an engineer who can drive will be a huge plus. i think you obviously got too much time in your hand....

Originally posted by McLarenFan
Oh i see.... an engineer who can drive will be a huge plus. i think you obviously got too much time in your hand....

Hey, I am still a high school student, so far I am worry free and free to do as I choose....so gather as much stuff as I can now...:D

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