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The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 06:36 PM
Import a IS200...
It has superb handling coupled with IMO good looks and potential.
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/gallery/is200_shots/ext4.jpg
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/gallery/is200_shots/ext5.jpg
Six speed...
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/gallery/is200_shots/int1.jpg
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/gallery/is200_shots/int2.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/gallery/toyota/is200_inteior.jpg
The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 06:43 PM
I don't know what color... One of these though..
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/modelrange/is200_colours/chamonix_white.jpg
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/modelrange/is200_colours/granite_sky.jpg
http://www.is200.co.uk/graphics/modelrange/is200_colours/strathcaron_blue.jpg
One of those...
I also like these stock rims...
http://www.is200.co.uk/accessories/is200/graphics/alloy_wheel.jpg
The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 06:48 PM
For the bodykit… I would have to rock with Rod Millen…
http://store5.yimg.com/I/supra_1652_7215726
http://store5.yimg.com/I/supra_1652_23198349
http://store5.yimg.com/I/supra_1652_6551542
http://store5.yimg.com/I/supra_1652_23239117
http://store5.yimg.com/I/supra_1652_6632334
The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 06:53 PM
I would then send it off to HKS so they could turbocharge it ... And handle all my handling modifications.
M Prophet
11-08-2001, 08:27 PM
Or you could buy a slightly used 98' 540i for around 35k and invest another 25k and have around 460hp with 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and the 1/4 mile 12.4.
These aren't even the good factory "angel eyes" either.
<img src="http://www.jimmy540i.com/night3.jpg">
<img src="http://www.jimmy540i.com/evoc1.jpg">
<img src="http://www.jimmy540i.com/parking.jpg">
<img src="http://www.jimmy540i.com/dynojet.jpg">
Kenny
11-08-2001, 08:30 PM
lol@dinan... What is the difference between a is200 and 300?
HeavyRightFOOT
11-08-2001, 08:34 PM
What the hell you're gonna spend 60k on a 540i just to modify ii to 460hp. that would be nice but I'd rather do it in a 5.0 or a F-body for a lot cheaper and still have some left over on buying that 97 540i.
M Prophet
11-08-2001, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by HeavyRightFOOT
What the hell you're gonna spend 60k on a 540i just to modify ii to 460hp. that would be nice but I'd rather do it in a 5.0 or a F-body for a lot cheaper and still have some left over on buying that 97 540i.
Why not? What could be tighter than an awesome looking 5er that smokes most anything on the street. Besides, Mecca and I don't like F-Bodies. :D
hondamatic
11-08-2001, 08:56 PM
For my $$$, I'd find a 240SX, put an SR20DET under the hood, do some major hardcore tuning, and do a Sylvia conversion to it. Fast, gorgeous and awesome-handling... what more could ya want? Sorry if it isn't a Toyota or a BMW... but I could make a comparably fast car for 1/10th of the $$$...
M Prophet
11-08-2001, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by hondamatic
For my $$$, I'd find a 240SX, put an SR20DET under the hood, do some major hardcore tuning, and do a Sylvia conversion to it. Fast, gorgeous and awesome-handling... what more could ya want? Sorry if it isn't a Toyota or a BMW... but I could make a comparably fast car for 1/10th of the $$$...
I could make a junkyard car faster than your idea at a tenth the price, what's your point?
The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 09:15 PM
Sure the 5 series would be nice, but if I was going to go that route I would get the GS400 or down the line the GS430 (most likely the next generation GS). So that wasn’t what I had in mind…
I like the IS200, it is a better handler than the 5 series and I’ll even say the 3 series. However it is dead slow strait line. (Around 9.5 seconds) Luckily I can turbocharger the engine without much complication. The car isn’t heavy also… The IS200 is a bad ass car I think…
The difference between the IS300 and the IS200 is the displacement. All numbers in Lexus model names stand for the displacement. This is why you have the 430 line up. Each of them share a 4.3 liter V-8, each tuned differently.
I think the IS would be a fantastic project…
GS too… Hell wouldn’t mind doing in a SC430 .. I’d get a S class before a LS430 though..
Plus Dinan.. you know I'm a Lexus man, so I surley can't get a Bimmer. No matter if they are better or not.. :)
M Prophet
11-08-2001, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
Sure the 5 series would be nice, but if I was going to go that route I would get the GS400 or down the line the GS430 (most likely the next generation GS). So that wasn’t what I had in mind…
I like the IS200, it is a better handler than the 5 series and I’ll even say the 3 series. However it is dead slow strait line. (Around 9.5 seconds) Luckily I can turbocharger the engine without much complication. The car isn’t heavy also… The IS200 is a bad ass car I think…
The difference between the IS300 and the IS200 is the displacement. All numbers in Lexus model names stand for the displacement. This is why you have the 430 line up. Each of them share a 4.3 liter V-8, each tuned differently.
I think the IS would be a fantastic project…
GS too… Hell wouldn’t mind doing in a SC430 .. I’d get a S class before a LS430 though..
Plus Dinan.. you know I'm a Lexus man, so I surley can't get a Bimmer. No matter if they are better or not.. :)
Stock, I doubt it's a better handler and no way it's a better handler than the 3 series stock. All the magazines say at the edge the 3 is more predicatable and easier to control.
hondamatic
11-08-2001, 09:39 PM
True Dinan... but I guess I'm just not the type of guy that sees the point in spending $25k on an already pricey 540i just to get it into mid 12s with 450hp... you could do that with a $100 boost controller on several cars...
I guess I'm just not a BMW guy...
M Prophet
11-08-2001, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by hondamatic
True Dinan... but I guess I'm just not the type of guy that sees the point in spending $25k on an already pricey 540i just to get it into mid 12s with 450hp... you could do that with a $100 boost controller on several cars...
I guess I'm just not a BMW guy...
No problem if you're not a BMW guy, but I prefer to do things with cars that I like instead of getting a cheap car that I can do for cheaper. Personally, I'd rather have a stock 540i than a 500hp turbo'ed Eclipse.
The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by M Prophet
Stock, I doubt it's a better handler and no way it's a better handler than the 3 series stock. All the magazines say at the edge the 3 is more predicatable and easier to control.
Show me where it says the 3 series is a better handler than the IS2..
I know the IS3 can't...
The "mecca" project
11-08-2001, 09:56 PM
It is all about performance Sedans though.. :)
MKIVTT
11-08-2001, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by hondamatic
For my $$$, I'd find a 240SX, put an SR20DET under the hood, do some major hardcore tuning, and do a Sylvia conversion to it. Fast, gorgeous and awesome-handling... what more could ya want? Sorry if it isn't a Toyota or a BMW... but I could make a comparably fast car for 1/10th of the $$$...
Or a F-Body.................
:D
King_Tut
11-09-2001, 03:52 AM
I like Hondamatics idea, its what I wanna do to mine, put a trubo on it, its plenty of power, cuz there aint much competition in New Zealand, ex. V8s. The only real comp I would encounter would be from any TT cars. EX. the Diamante TT V6, old Supra V6 TT, and Skyline Tubo.
But Mecca that sounds like a sweet project, escpecially now that they got the Is200 importing in a month and it comes in a six speed. Are you dreamin or is this the new Mecca machine?
I need a turbo!!!!! and 17" chrome wheels.
dinger
11-09-2001, 09:43 AM
mecca, that car is freaking sweet. i almost creamed my pants looking at those pics.:)
i know road & track considers the is300 a better handler than the 3-series. the lexus is more tossable and more nimble. the is200 handles even better than the is300, though the lack of power is kind of a bummer.
i wonder if bmw's 3.0 straight six will fit under that hood:D
EuroSpec GTi 16v
11-09-2001, 01:08 PM
I like that IS200. I would have mine turbocharged too. I was reading about one in SCC that reached 168mph on a test course in Japan.
Also Dinan is that your 540? Beautiful if it is, absolutely beautiful. :D
The "mecca" project
11-09-2001, 01:13 PM
How much do you suppose it would cost to import a IS200?
EuroSpec GTi 16v
11-09-2001, 01:15 PM
I think I would have to take a Blitz Is200. I love the look of that car. Some of the other body kits are nice too.
LanEvo
11-09-2001, 02:54 PM
why not a IS400?
dinger
11-09-2001, 02:59 PM
i doubt a v8 will fit under there. either way, if it does, that'll slaughter the handling:)
LanEvo
11-09-2001, 03:06 PM
if i have money i would just import this baby
http://www.supercarcentral.com/cars/mitsubishi/lancerevo7/6.jpg
M Prophet
11-10-2001, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by EuroSpec GTi 16v
I like that IS200. I would have mine turbocharged too. I was reading about one in SCC that reached 168mph on a test course in Japan.
Also Dinan is that your 540? Beautiful if it is, absolutely beautiful. :D
No, mine an E34, my mom's which is the 01' is stock. That's the infamous Jimmy Wu's car, it's a beast and very nice.
yeah......a turbo'ed IS200 would be a sweet car.......
but then again.........why can't u tune the IS300's suspension parts a bit to make it handle better, get a blitz body kit, and then PLOP a supra turbo 2JZ-GTE engine into it?
There ain't nothing wrong w/ doing that either............ :D
The "mecca" project
11-10-2001, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by TS1
yeah......a turbo'ed IS200 would be a sweet car.......
but then again.........why can't u tune the IS300's suspension parts a bit to make it handle better, get a blitz body kit, and then PLOP a supra turbo 2JZ-GTE engine into it?
There ain't nothing wrong w/ doing that either............ :D
Nose heavy..
well....yes.
true..
i guess you're leaning more towards the "driver's car" side of things....aren't you?
M Prophet
11-10-2001, 06:47 PM
TS1, the technology for cubic inches saying is a tad trite and dare I say a wee bit ricetastic.
Originally posted by M Prophet
TS1, the technology for cubic inches saying is a tad trite and dare I say a wee bit ricetastic.
ricetastic........
hehe.
uhhhh.......i duno....i've had that sig for a WHILE. It stays.
HeavyRightFOOT
11-10-2001, 07:43 PM
After seeing that 540i in Dinan's post. I'd rather take that. That shit is hotttt. Actually I'd put down 60k for that. WORD.
Only after I get my F-body....
M Prophet
11-10-2001, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by HeavyRightFOOT
After seeing that 540i in Dinan's post. I'd rather take that. That shit is hotttt. Actually I'd put down 60k for that. WORD.
Only after I get my F-body....
Word. :D
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 02:02 AM
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1588350&a=12142418&p=43775019&Sequence=1
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1588350&a=12142418&p=44552786&Sequence=0
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1588350&a=12488696&p=45956389&Sequence=0
http://www.extremefx.com/IS300/IS300_frontright.jpg
http://www.crescentleaf.com/car/569.jpg
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 02:07 AM
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/outoftowners/View.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/outoftowners/kellysideshot.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/outoftowners/bluebackground.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/outoftowners/nice%20front%20end%20sunset.JPG
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/outoftowners/DIGITAL%20PICS%20032.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/outoftowners/pete2.jpg
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 02:10 AM
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/IS200/cool.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/IS200/wagon.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/IS200/altezzap44.jpg
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 02:13 AM
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/turbois/wpe3.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/turbois/wpe5.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/turbois/wpe9.jpg
http://www.bayarea-is300.com/turbois/wpe14.gif
i think i need some new underwear.........
:D
skylinelover
11-11-2001, 01:09 PM
oohhh man that altezza damn. the altezza has the 2 liter right.
HeavyRightFOOT
11-11-2001, 03:56 PM
Yea the Altezza looks nice too but not as good as that 540i. Damn that 540 was nice, especially those headlights. Teh IS200/300 does look kinda of ricey though. And I don't think it would be that much of a better handler than a 540i.
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 04:18 PM
The IS200 should handle much better than the 540i.
Look at that Dyno.. That a nice power band as well.
I like the way that 5 series looks, but I like every single IS I've posted after that better, look wise. Except for the blue modified one, however I like the turbo kit in it. So I would gladly take white or graphite IS with some rims and that turbo kit on it, over Jim Wu's beast.
I don't see the rice you talk about, but I acknowledge your opinion.
You should see HKS' race Altezza..
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 04:53 PM
Of course it isn't street legal.
http://www.fast-autos.net/altezza.jpg
564 bhp @ 8k RPM
446 lb-ft @ 6k RPM
0-60... 3.0
http://www.fast-autos.net/altezza2.jpg
http://www.fast-autos.net/altezza3.jpg
http://www.fast-autos.net/altezza4.jpg
HeavyRightFOOT
11-11-2001, 09:38 PM
That Dyno sheet looks pretty good. It must pass cars like they are standling lol. I've always liked the IS300 also but the 5 series is in a totally different leaugue. IT's bigger, more luxurious, bigger engine, V8, and it's a whole lot faster, and it costs a lot more. Not really a fair comparison. I'd like to see a 3 series BMW go against an IS300. ALthough a I think the 3 series will still be significantly quicker than the IS300. But the IS300 has that stock Supra engine......
The "mecca" project
11-11-2001, 09:55 PM
That stock Supra engine in the IS300 is the problem. The engine is rather heavy and makes the IS300 nose heavy. The Dyno sheet is from a turbo charged IS200 not IS300. The IS200 shares the same engine with the MR2 2.0, so either way you go you can turbo charge it healthily.
The 5 series isn’t even the same class (I don’t mean to insult your intelligence, I’m sure you already know this). It is within competition with the GS430. However if you go to Japan, their high performance version of their “GS” is turbocharger. I believe with the same exact set up as the JDM MKIV. So it’s out put is advertised at 280hp and 331lbs torque, same as the JDM MKIV. Of course the difference between the JDM MKIV and the American MKIV is larger than you might imagine. I’d love to have a GS430 over the twin turbo version though…
The 3 series stock VS either IS the 3 series should and would stomp it on the track. (I blame that on the weight of the 2jz-gte). Toyota is currently developing a new 3.0-liter V6 for the next generation IS. It should be significantly lighter than its predecessor while delivering 3 series topping power. There is also talk of a performance version tuned by Brabus. Sounds interesting…
M Prophet
11-11-2001, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
The IS200 should handle much better than the 540i.
Look at that Dyno.. That a nice power band as well.
I like the way that 5 series looks, but I like every single IS I've posted after that better, look wise. Except for the blue modified one, however I like the turbo kit in it. So I would gladly take white or graphite IS with some rims and that turbo kit on it, over Jim Wu's beast.
I don't see the rice you talk about, but I acknowledge your opinion.
You should see HKS' race Altezza..
Oh man come on! Fine, if you don't like the looks of a bigger sedan, then get an S4, they're pimp and you can make them look just so badass and clean. Besides, they're not too expensive and 350hp is very attainable. Those ISs and Altezza were a little teenagish compared to the 5er, I mean that one Altezza looked real mean, but...I don't know, but I guess it's "whatever floats your boat."
The "mecca" project
11-12-2001, 02:08 AM
Oh I agree that the BMWs look more mature...
I don't care for the S4, I've driven one before and it was... Odd..
The steering was tight, too tight for me but don't get me wrong it was compliant. It suprised me with its low end grunt, almost like a Vr-4. It would be a sweet car to own or compliment an exotic or even a nice long distance cruiser, but it isn't for me. I do like its almost complete sleeper look. I'm sure you could catch several muscle car owners a run. It is a car I would like my future daughter or wife to drive.
Maybe I don’t like the feel because I’ve driven Toyota all my life and basically all there cars that I’ve ever driven steer lightly, expect the MKIVs when it is at speeds. It then becomes tighter clearly, while keeping its response…
The 5 series is a great car… So is the GS430, though the 5 series is better I would imagine…
I’m not in the market for a 35k car… I already know what I’m going to get. It is just of time… After that car then I will probably be looking at classy sedans.
If I could go back, I’d still have my MKIV though…
M Prophet
11-12-2001, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
Oh I agree that the BMWs look more mature...
I don't care for the S4, I've driven one before and it was... Odd..
The steering was tight, too tight for me but don't get me wrong it was compliant. It suprised me with its low end grunt, almost like a Vr-4. It would be a sweet car to own or compliment an exotic or even a nice long distance cruiser, but it isn't for me. I do like its almost complete sleeper look. I'm sure you could catch several muscle car owners a run. It is a car I would like my future daughter or wife to drive.
Maybe I don’t like the feel because I’ve driven Toyota all my life and basically all there cars that I’ve ever driven steer lightly, expect the MKIVs when it is at speeds. It then becomes tighter clearly, while keeping its response…
The 5 series is a great car… So is the GS430, though the 5 series is better I would imagine…
I’m not in the market for a 35k car… I already know what I’m going to get. It is just of time… After that car then I will probably be looking at classy sedans.
If I could go back, I’d still have my MKIV though…
You have to get another MKIV, so I can kick its ass at the track. Besides, Supras are ten times better looking than those sedans and much faster and no more costly, but it won't come w/a warranty.
The "mecca" project
11-12-2001, 02:43 AM
LOL... How about you lend me 10k and I'll get another MKIV.
M Prophet
11-12-2001, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
LOL... How about you lend me 10k and I'll get another MKIV.
How about UPS? :D
The "mecca" project
11-12-2001, 02:45 AM
In all honesty, before I got another MKIV... I would get a Vr-4.
I really wouldn't mind a project out of one.
The "mecca" project
11-12-2001, 02:47 AM
Or not..
The Vr-4 is heavy... I like it though.
M Prophet
11-12-2001, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
In all honesty, before I got another MKIV... I would get a Vr-4.
I really wouldn't mind a project out of one.
I think the Supra looks better, but damn the VR4s are fast and put down better numbers for their powers. In all honesty, a 500hp VR4 will smoke a 500hp Supra. I'd like an RX7, but they are maintenance headaches or so I hear, but Chris V says otherwise.
The "mecca" project
11-12-2001, 03:31 AM
I don't know about a 500hp VR-4 smoking a 500hp Supra... Maybe off the line... Thats it...
A 500hp Rx-7 on the other hand...
The Rx-7 is a reliable car, except for 93. There were plenty of electrical problems I hear. Though they shoudl've been taken care of by the recall...
Rx-7's are fast and nice but are harsh... The Vr-4 on the other hand is a big GT cruiser... a 650hp one would be nice.
M Prophet
11-12-2001, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
I don't know about a 500hp VR-4 smoking a 500hp Supra... Maybe off the line... Thats it...
A 500hp Rx-7 on the other hand...
The Rx-7 is a reliable car, except for 93. There were plenty of electrical problems I hear. Though they shoudl've been taken care of by the recall...
Rx-7's are fast and nice but are harsh... The Vr-4 on the other hand is a big GT cruiser... a 650hp one would be nice.
A 500hp Rx-7 would be running 9s. I know of an RX7 with 315hp running in the 10s or so he said.
A VR4 with even hp will definitley give a Supra a run for its money. The weight disparities aren't that large and like you said the VR4 has it off the line.
I heard that missing a small thing for a short time, like even a microfilter can end up destorying an Rx-7.
The "mecca" project
11-12-2001, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by M Prophet
A 500hp Rx-7 would be running 9s. I know of an RX7 with 315hp running in the 10s or so he said.
A VR4 with even hp will definitley give a Supra a run for its money. The weight disparities aren't that large and like you said the VR4 has it off the line.
I heard that missing a small thing for a short time, like even a microfilter can end up destorying an Rx-7.
I have a hard time thinking a 315hp Rx-7 coul run 10s. That means with his stock turbos he could easily run 10s and that would make the Rx-7 clearly the most unstoppable minor mod force out there.
The weight diffrince between a MKIV and a Vr-4 is huge.
The MKIV and the Rx-7 have the same power to weight ratio.... Keeping that in mind, the MKIV and the Vr-4 have equal peak power while the MKIV weighs 300lbs less, give or take depending on who is behind the wheel of each car...
M Prophet
11-12-2001, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by The "mecca" project
I have a hard time thinking a 315hp Rx-7 coul run 10s. That means with his stock turbos he could easily run 10s and that would make the Rx-7 clearly the most unstoppable minor mod force out there.
The weight diffrince between a MKIV and a Vr-4 is huge.
The MKIV and the Rx-7 have the same power to weight ratio.... Keeping that in mind, the MKIV and the Vr-4 have equal peak power while the MKIV weighs 300lbs less, give or take depending on who is behind the wheel of each car...
Yeah, the Rx-7 shit is BS.
Anyway, the 400lbs difference is quite large, but...yeah well it's quite large. Shit, now that I think about it the VR4 literally weighs more than my 540i by about 40 lbs.
skylinelover
11-12-2001, 06:11 PM
that race altezza is rediculous
M3man
11-12-2001, 08:28 PM
RT did a feature on that race Altezza. It's a nice car, but i don't think it has a single part in common with the real Altezza. It's practically a full-blown race car. Carbon Fibre monocoque and shit i believe.
HERETIC 666
11-19-2001, 12:09 AM
all i gotta say is DAM that is ONE SWEET ASS ALTTZZETTA *sp* :eek:
LYTLdiablo
11-19-2001, 12:15 AM
toyota racer cant spell altezza? whats goin on...
sorry had to say it
HERETIC 666
11-19-2001, 12:25 AM
im wondering can the is300's stock auto tranny handle 430 hp? casue i thought that auto trannys are weaker than manual i was wondering casue XS ENGINERING turboed one heres the pics on that one below
http://www.xs-engineering.com/images/newsimages/IS300.jpg
Owner: James Ceron
RWHP : 415.8 @ 13.2psi
RWTQ : 419.2 @ 13.2psi
thats all the info it had on it but im sure they had to either strenthen the tranny by adding a torque converter or rebuild the tranny complety i mean thats what you have to do to my car to even have to handle 300 hp (i have a 2000 toyota celica gts auto for now until i trade it in for a manual later on ) so i guess this one has to have a transmission upgrade to handle the hp
correct me if im wrong please im not very good when it comes to the technical section of cars :(
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