Well someone had to break the ice :D

Anyone else car to take this one? :)

NSX, poser supercar. An integra in wolfs clothing.

oh lord here we go, this is going to be a long thread. lemme start by saying, kiss my ass, some japanese cars are just as good if not better than european and american cars

Can you name another car that can go 0-60 in 4.7 seconds that can be drive every day in the rain, and the snow without any problems?

Yeah, I can too, but the NSX is still cool

One word:


SKYLINE

Anything is better then Americans Superior crap quality :D And I'd hope they would be better then some euro cars, because most european cars suck. I mean whens the last car good car Lamborghini made, the 6.0 Diablo. Or ferrari they havn't come up with a good Idea since the 550 Barchetta or the 360 spider. If you want a real car then go with a nice Yugo Koral, Lada 2110 or a Zaz Tavria.

lol yugo's amuse me.

There silly looking pos's.

Originally posted by kenny
Two words:


LANCER EVOLUTION

well said

yugos are also dangerous as hell.

i think i've seen one in RL in my lifetime

Originally posted by carmaster
Well someone had to break the ice :D


:confused:

uh........

i don't know what to say...

Sports Coupes: (does america even have any besides GTP)

0-60: 4.6
AWD
Active Yaw Control
280hp/280torque
Brembo Vented Brakes (absolute best)
25,000$$

Lancer. Name any american car for that price that can defeat the rally extraodinare. Oh ya did I mention Subaru's Impreza WRX STi coming to america with almost the same statistics.

Altima:
0-60: 6.3
24,000$$ Base
dual exhaust
240hp/240torque
V6
6 Speed

My used MR2 Turbo:

0-60: 5.96
9000$$$
200hp/200torque
Mid Engine RWD
"baby NSX"

trace back to many times that japanese supercars were introduced and how they were far above performance of many american counterparts. The NSX came about in 1991 with performance above every car at the time.

The toyota supra of 1994 destroyed the corvette in every statistical performance and I am hard to think of any car besides the viper, which actually had nearly the same performance out of its 400/415hp viper.

So the supra was superior to every production american sports car and I havent checked, but probably japanese when it was reintroduced.

The Eclipse GSX which countered the Mustang gt was actually faster than it and handled much better so that car was also better than the 94-98 mustang until the redesign.

The new Nissan Z under 30,000$$ under 6 in 0-60, highly tuned Nissan 6. name a better 2 seater value besides maybe the S2000 :).

Mecca do I make u proud :)?

O ya, long live the Trans Am WS6!!!

Do you make mecca proud? Sure I guess.

Just cause your nice dosen’t mean we are not going to race Baby NSX boy… :D

Operation beat an NSX?

Well then mine is Operation scorch a R34 GT-R… :)

Jap cars have a certain quality same with american V8s.

My Silvia is like a little kid, its got such a personality. :D

silvia is a great little drifter

tut, do they have s14 and s15 overthere?

Originally posted by LanEvo
silvia is a great little drifter

tut, do they have s14 and s15 overthere?

s14 yes they have it here, its the 240 sx, (ka24de as opposed to sr20det) but they dont have the s15, the car is freakin beautiful, i want one

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
Sports Coupes: (does america even have any besides GTP)

0-60: 4.6
AWD
Active Yaw Control
280hp/280torque
Brembo Vented Brakes (absolute best)
25,000$$

Lancer. Name any american car for that price that can defeat the rally extraodinare. Oh ya did I mention Subaru's Impreza WRX STi coming to america with almost the same statistics.

Altima:
0-60: 6.3
24,000$$ Base
dual exhaust
240hp/240torque
V6
6 Speed

My used MR2 Turbo:

0-60: 5.96
9000$$$
200hp/200torque
Mid Engine RWD
"baby NSX"

trace back to many times that japanese supercars were introduced and how they were far above performance of many american counterparts. The NSX came about in 1991 with performance above every car at the time.

The toyota supra of 1994 destroyed the corvette in every statistical performance and I am hard to think of any car besides the viper, which actually had nearly the same performance out of its 400/415hp viper.

So the supra was superior to every production american sports car and I havent checked, but probably japanese when it was reintroduced.

The Eclipse GSX which countered the Mustang gt was actually faster than it and handled much better so that car was also better than the 94-98 mustang until the redesign.

The new Nissan Z under 30,000$$ under 6 in 0-60, highly tuned Nissan 6. name a better 2 seater value besides maybe the S2000 :).

Mecca do I make u proud :)?

O ya, long live the Trans Am WS6!!!

yea just get a firebird trans am and take off the exhaust and run a 13.2 or better, 0-60 of course wont be as good but you dont have 4wd in that car. also it doenst have 280hp(276hp) its just rated at that so it doesnt get taxed out the ass by japan. same with the like 12 second jspec supra and 12 second jspec skyline.

about the nsx, its hand built, limited production and over 80 thousand dollars.

supra yea, crazy car, i kinda like it :) but it didnt go faster than the zr1 dont say any american production car, youre being to general

eclipse gsx is faster than the mustang gt by like 2 tenths if you can ever find someone who could actually drive it which is less than a car, so its not all that much. out turn, nah...gsx has some crazy body roll and crap ass breaks, not that the gt is on rails either though.

new nissan z will be eaten by a ws-6 for less money and better insurance and 4 seats.

take off the exhaust. OOO now why didnt u say so!!! z z z z z...

really the ZR1 was a regular production sports car? I am not talking Cobra R and others. Corvette vs Supra, no contest with the 93-96 corvettes.

WS6 vs Z? tell me any person even considering the WS6 and Z togethor? One is a two seater compact car with cutting edge technology while the other is an engine period. A supercharged Z, which rumors have it might come out with 350hp can be the answer to it.

give up your wild dreams mecca. u had your chance with your supra and u got rid of it. Just buy an econobox and get it over with already :)

What kind of crack have you been smoking lately, Greatwhite?

Uh, f-bodies are extremely fast, what are you talking about. <My friend;s ss ran a 12.8 with 500 bucks of engine crap bolted on. It runs a full open exhaust. It sounds sick at WOT. It also has a fully redone suspension so it handles good. It is uncomfortable, unrefined, has no features and it a POS, but the raw power more than makes up for it.

Which F-body you talking about?? The one that their never going to produce hahahahaah:D

Kenny, this is the type of shit we need you to delete. I know this is a joke, but when the person is serious, do us a favor and ban the member and delete the thread. Long drawn out argument with virtual vegetables is tiring and is a waste of our time.

We will have mods by the end of the week... IMO, no need to delete, just don't look at it... Start a new topic :)

He buddy, you don't like it don't read it, This is a free world and a free board, with no TOS, so don't give me any BS. I'm joking, the same way i joke about the corvette. SO again you don't like it don't read it.

Originally posted by carmaster
He buddy, you don't like it don't read it, This is a free world and a free board, with no TOS, so don't give me any BS. I'm joking, the same way i joke about the corvette. SO again you don't like it don't read it.

If you had read my post Johnson, you would have seen that I said, "I know this thread is just a joke, but for the ones that are serious and will result in those idiotic flame-war threads, please delete them."

Everyboard needs a good flame war or two:D Its people like me that keep you on the edge of your seat:cool:

Heh...yeah, everyone does. It keeps people coming. It does for me atleast. Hell, on some boards I am out, thats all you do! Flame flame flame flame flame! Hell, there are so much arguments there it could easily be mistaken for Congress :D





Heh, gotta love cheap jokes.

its kinda good in a way that carmaster is startin shit, keeps the forum interesting.

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
take off the exhaust. OOO now why didnt u say so!!! z z z z z...

really the ZR1 was a regular production sports car? I am not talking Cobra R and others. Corvette vs Supra, no contest with the 93-96 corvettes.

WS6 vs Z? tell me any person even considering the WS6 and Z togethor? One is a two seater compact car with cutting edge technology while the other is an engine period. A supercharged Z, which rumors have it might come out with 350hp can be the answer to it.

give up your wild dreams mecca. u had your chance with your supra and u got rid of it. Just buy an econobox and get it over with already :)


haha you amuse me, take a gen of corvettes started in 1984 and push it against one of the most technological sports cars of its time (engine wise) zr1 wasnt limited production i dont think (in the theory they decided on a number before they made it) also the grand sport vette is about a 13.6 and supras are known like 13.1-13.5 so its not that bad. why wouldnt you consider a ws6 and a z? just cuz one has 2 seats and is tiny and the other has 4 seats and is large? they are both sports cars in just about the same price range for some people, thats all you need to compare them, i.e. me. if the z gets 350hp then yeah itll beat it, stock...but also its a new car that will be released after they are finishing the f bodies line...take it up with the vette 350 horse 375 torque, 2 seater, lighter than the fbody and like 40 grand.

yea vettes and f-bodies minor mods and give u a sub-10 car

but those japanese cars such as 300zx, supra, nsx, evolution and rx7 were made w/ cornering ability considerated

Originally posted by LanEvo
yea vettes and f-bodies minor mods and give u a sub-10 car

but those japanese cars such as 300zx, supra, nsx, evolution and rx7 were made w/ cornering ability considerated

HAHA, i dont know why but that is the greatest word ever :) considerated hehehehehe...you mean considered...but also, the fbodies in 1993 pulled .84 g's which is a lot, 96-97 they pulled like .85 98-00 they pulled like .86 and 2001-02 are supposed to pull like .87, but thats just z28 formula level, ws6's now pull like .89g's and the firehawk pulls .91, vettepulls .91-.93 which is impressive and matches the rx7 almost and about what the supra is and as even with or just slightly behind the nsx, evo will get hurt in the corners unless we are off road, 300zx will keep up with a good f body. now before someone even tries to bitch about "skidpad isnt everything" yeah the slalom on these cars isnt ALL that great...but youre not talkin about pocket rockets here either from japan, evo might be pretty good and rx7 will have a good slalom, nsx will be decent, 300zxtt and supra will be real close to the fbody, also we havent even talked about the z06 which runs low 12's brakes faster than anyone of these cars (nsx is close) and pulls 1.00g's in the skidpad and has a very impressive slalom for a 3100+ lb car.

Originally posted by kenny
Can you name another car that can go 0-60 in 4.7 seconds that can be drive every day in the rain, and the snow without any problems?

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However the 911 (Carrera 4 and Turbo) should fit the bill.

Originally posted by Silverfish


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<img src="http://www.bmw.com/bmwd/products/automobiles/m/images/m_mov_03.jpg">

<img src="http://www.bmw.com/common/images/products/automobiles/m/sedan/b_chassis_mov_00.jpg">

first of all that is a nice green color of a BMW.

second of all who are you to say what topic should be deleted and is stupid and what isn't, I have read this entire forum and argued with Diablo and every comment we made has not been idiotic or childish. Lets have the same droned conversations every time why don't we that won't have a hint of controversy. This is one of the oldest and most valid topics in the automotive sector.

back to the topic.

The new vette entered this conversation how??? We were talking about equally priced cars I thought. Z06 is made in 2002 so its better to compare it to cars of its period technologically. I personally believe if the supra kept evolving like the Corvette has shown itself to do amazingly, than Japan would have a corvette equal in all aspects. (just my opinion)

The older vette I dont know the price but were in direct competition with the Supra 94-96 correct? The ZR1 I believe was over 50,000$$ and a LIMITED PRODUCTION corvette. Again like telling me the Cobra R will kill a Camaro SS so what do u mean the fbody's are faster? (sarcasm here).

I am smoking crack because I have driven both the MR2 Turbo and WS6 and say the MR2 handles better?? There definitely is some body roll which is expected with a heavy car while the mr2 has 50/50 weight distribution weighing under 2700pnds. The cars have different characteristics which is why both are enjoyable to drive. If every car was an s2000 handling well with no low torque for street traffic it'd be a snooze. If every car was a beast that wasnt as easily tossable than there would be no fun to compare :)

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
first of all that is a nice green color of a BMW.

second of all who are you to say what topic should be deleted and is stupid and what isn't, I have read this entire forum and argued with Diablo and every comment we made has not been idiotic or childish. Lets have the same droned conversations every time why don't we that won't have a hint of controversy. This is one of the oldest and most valid topics in the automotive sector.

back to the topic.

The new vette entered this conversation how??? We were talking about equally priced cars I thought. The older vette I dont know the price but were in direct competition with the Supra 94-96 correct? The ZR1 I believe was over 50,000$$ and a LIMITED PRODUCTION corvette. Again like telling me the Cobra R will kill a Camaro SS so what do u mean the fbody's are faster? (sarcasm here).

I am smoking crack because I have driven both the MR2 Turbo and WS6 and say the MR2 handles better?? There definitely is some body roll which is expected with a heavy car while the mr2 has 50/50 weight distribution weighing under 2700pnds. The cars have different characteristics which is why both are enjoyable to drive. If every car was an s2000 handling well with no low torque for street traffic it'd be a snooze. If every car was a beast that wasnt as easily tossable than there would be no fun to compare :)

Uh yeah, read my comment carefully, I never said this topic should be deleted.

BTW, that's LeMans Blue, not green.

Damn u are fast. you said this post is a waste of time. If you meant carmaster than sorry if I thought you meant our arguement with me and Diablo.

The first BMW is blue? man my monitor is showing the wrong colors again. looks like light green to me...

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
Damn u are fast. you said this post is a waste of time. If you meant carmaster than sorry if I thought you meant our arguement with me and Diablo.

The first BMW is blue? man my monitor is showing the wrong colors again. looks like light green to me...

No, I was not referring to your guys argument or this topic, but topics that will be made by trolls looking to erupt the board into a flame war.

Here's a better picture of LeMans Blue.

<img src="http://www.bmw.com/common/images/products/automobiles/m/sedan/prev_download_03.jpg">

damn m prophet......those are some nice ass pics...

almost as good as porn......................almost.

:D

Originally posted by TS1
damn m prophet......those are some nice ass pics...

almost as good as porn......................almost.

:D

I'll take those pics over porn anyday.

<img src="http://www.bmw.com/common/images/banner/mood_home_04.jpg">

I CAN'T SEE ANY DAMN PICS!!:mad:

F-bodies are definately faster than almost every single japanese car. Me friends SS ran a 13.4 bone stock. Now it runs a 12.8 with an open exhaust, a new intake lid and about $400 worth or crap bolted on. Im sorry, but whoever said that a vette or ls1 would go sub 10's with minor mods is an idiot and should be banned (along with his children, and his children's children)from ever posting here again. SUB 10's!! It would take about 40 grand or more to do it right. First of all you would need over about 900-1000hp to do it. This would best be achieved with a full rebuild with a supercharger, or turbos and probably some juice. You also would need a completely new drivetrain to handle that. You might be able to get by with the stock t-56, but not for long. You would need a new driveshaft, and probably a ford 9 in. in the f-body and probably a dana 60 rear in the vette. Then ytou would have a problem of traction, you would have to redo the suspension, and it would help to tub the car to fit the huge slicks. You would also most likely have to narrow the rear to fit them too. Oh, you would also need a full cage, and more chassis reinforcements so you dont crack the body in half. running sub 9's means speeds around 180, so you would need aero stuff to keep it going straight and brakes to stop it. Dont post stuff about something you dont know anything about, sub 10's, come on. Only one thing you that is street legal that you can buy easily is a 1100cc jap bike or an american muscle car that someone put some $$ into.

Originally posted by TimN88
F-bodies are definately faster than almost every single japanese car. Me friends SS ran a 13.4 bone stock. Now it runs a 12.8 with an open exhaust, a new intake lid and about $400 worth or crap bolted on. Im sorry, but whoever said that a vette or ls1 would go sub 10's with minor mods is an idiot and should be banned (along with his children, and his children's children)from ever posting here again. SUB 10's!! It would take about 40 grand or more to do it right. First of all you would need over about 900-1000hp to do it. This would best be achieved with a full rebuild with a supercharger, or turbos and probably some juice. You also would need a completely new drivetrain to handle that. You might be able to get by with the stock t-56, but not for long. You would need a new driveshaft, and probably a ford 9 in. in the f-body and probably a dana 60 rear in the vette. Then ytou would have a problem of traction, you would have to redo the suspension, and it would help to tub the car to fit the huge slicks. You would also most likely have to narrow the rear to fit them too. Oh, you would also need a full cage, and more chassis reinforcements so you dont crack the body in half. running sub 9's means speeds around 180, so you would need aero stuff to keep it going straight and brakes to stop it. Dont post stuff about something you dont know anything about, sub 10's, come on. Only one thing you that is street legal that you can buy easily is a 1100cc jap bike or an american muscle car that someone put some $$ into.

Yup, my friend's dad had invested 100k in some old muscle car and he's a lifetime SCCA racer and he only got 11s out of it. The car had 875hp.

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
Sports Coupes: (does america even have any besides GTP)

0-60: 4.6
AWD
Active Yaw Control
280hp/280torque
Brembo Vented Brakes (absolute best)
25,000$$

Lancer. Name any american car for that price that can defeat the rally extraodinare. Oh ya did I mention Subaru's Impreza WRX STi coming to america with almost the same statistics.

Altima:
0-60: 6.3
24,000$$ Base
dual exhaust
240hp/240torque
V6
6 Speed

My used MR2 Turbo:

0-60: 5.96
9000$$$
200hp/200torque
Mid Engine RWD
"baby NSX"

trace back to many times that japanese supercars were introduced and how they were far above performance of many american counterparts. The NSX came about in 1991 with performance above every car at the time.

The toyota supra of 1994 destroyed the corvette in every statistical performance and I am hard to think of any car besides the viper, which actually had nearly the same performance out of its 400/415hp viper.

So the supra was superior to every production american sports car and I havent checked, but probably japanese when it was reintroduced.

The Eclipse GSX which countered the Mustang gt was actually faster than it and handled much better so that car was also better than the 94-98 mustang until the redesign.

The new Nissan Z under 30,000$$ under 6 in 0-60, highly tuned Nissan 6. name a better 2 seater value besides maybe the S2000 :).

Mecca do I make u proud :)?

O ya, long live the Trans Am WS6!!!
Lol what? A 1991 Corvette ZR1 will rape a 1991 NSX. The NSX ran 14 flat in 1991 while the ZR1 ran mid to high 12's. It also took just about any car on the track at the time. I love the ZR1. Lol the Supra will get raped by a ZR1 also, don't even start this. Second it's funny how an LT1 Corvette will stay with a Supra that is BRAND NEW. The C4 came out in 1984. Guess what, it was dsigned in the late 70's, it has parts from a car that was designed in 60's (the C3). The Supra will not beat an LT1 Corvette in every way. They are virtually the same in performance. TEh Lt4 Grand Sport might have a slight advantage. If you're talking about the choked out L98 then yea the Supra will take that.

If you guys think Japanese cars blow, your idiots..

First of all...

The C4 will loose to a MKIV. Don't bullshit yourself... Yes the Zr-1 will beat a supra and by a bit... I don't know the Zr-1's handling, but I doubt it is better than the MKIV and I’m sure the breaking isn't either. Considering Vette never could break like a MKIV until the Z06. Should we talk about quality and reliability?

A Rx-7 Turbo will take a C4, a 3000GT will take a C4.

MKIV is a bad ****ing car...

Oh, the NSX… How should I count the ways… Let’s just wait to see how the New Type R performs and I will get back to you.

Do I need to even talk about the Skyline? I hope not…

EVO? WRX? Both wicked fast with potential… Not only are they as inexpensive as an F-body, there just as fast if not faster with much better handling.

300ZX

RX-7…

The way I see it, Japan has more high performance vehicles than America.

I could extend this list too… Very easily..

Originally posted by M Prophet


Yup, my friend's dad had invested 100k in some old muscle car and he's a lifetime SCCA racer and he only got 11s out of it. The car had 875hp.

your friends dad cant drive unless his car was 5000lbs on 245/50r16's.

the car in the sig has just over 500hp (i think) and can run 11's with some grip (low 12's was done on 245's with 2 people in the car, non prepped engine, full tank of gas, and having to throttle it through the first 3 gears so it didnt spin)

another 375hp would be nice...

Originally posted by TimN88
F-bodies are definately faster than almost every single japanese car. Me friends SS ran a 13.4 bone stock. Now it runs a 12.8 with an open exhaust, a new intake lid and about $400 worth or crap bolted on. Im sorry, but whoever said that a vette or ls1 would go sub 10's with minor mods is an idiot and should be banned (along with his children, and his children's children)from ever posting here again. SUB 10's!! It would take about 40 grand or more to do it right. First of all you would need over about 900-1000hp to do it. This would best be achieved with a full rebuild with a supercharger, or turbos and probably some juice. You also would need a completely new drivetrain to handle that. You might be able to get by with the stock t-56, but not for long. You would need a new driveshaft, and probably a ford 9 in. in the f-body and probably a dana 60 rear in the vette. Then ytou would have a problem of traction, you would have to redo the suspension, and it would help to tub the car to fit the huge slicks. You would also most likely have to narrow the rear to fit them too. Oh, you would also need a full cage, and more chassis reinforcements so you dont crack the body in half. running sub 9's means speeds around 180, so you would need aero stuff to keep it going straight and brakes to stop it. Dont post stuff about something you dont know anything about, sub 10's, come on. Only one thing you that is street legal that you can buy easily is a 1100cc jap bike or an american muscle car that someone put some $$ into.

"Dont post stuff about something you dont know anything about..."

yeah that was your quote, listen to it, you have a shit load of probablies in there and you really dont know what youre talking about, so before i waste my time spitting out a whole shit load of technical stuff, give the guy a break, while yes he was a slight bit exaggerated in waht he said, its not worth banning the next 3 generations of his family. also 9's does not have a speed of 180, 7 flat averages at about 200mph. and you dont need to mess with the suspension, ive seen 9 second c5s on with adjustable rear shocks and better rear springs and thats it.

and also most american muscle cars that run 9's arent street legal anyway, not that i think he was caring if they were, so i dont know why you even brought up that point.

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
first of all that is a nice green color of a BMW.

second of all who are you to say what topic should be deleted and is stupid and what isn't, I have read this entire forum and argued with Diablo and every comment we made has not been idiotic or childish. Lets have the same droned conversations every time why don't we that won't have a hint of controversy. This is one of the oldest and most valid topics in the automotive sector.

back to the topic.

The new vette entered this conversation how??? We were talking about equally priced cars I thought. Z06 is made in 2002 so its better to compare it to cars of its period technologically. I personally believe if the supra kept evolving like the Corvette has shown itself to do amazingly, than Japan would have a corvette equal in all aspects. (just my opinion)

The older vette I dont know the price but were in direct competition with the Supra 94-96 correct? The ZR1 I believe was over 50,000$$ and a LIMITED PRODUCTION corvette. Again like telling me the Cobra R will kill a Camaro SS so what do u mean the fbody's are faster? (sarcasm here).

I am smoking crack because I have driven both the MR2 Turbo and WS6 and say the MR2 handles better?? There definitely is some body roll which is expected with a heavy car while the mr2 has 50/50 weight distribution weighing under 2700pnds. The cars have different characteristics which is why both are enjoyable to drive. If every car was an s2000 handling well with no low torque for street traffic it'd be a snooze. If every car was a beast that wasnt as easily tossable than there would be no fun to compare :)

i didnt see what he said, but thanks for takin care of it man...

about the new vette in the comparo, if u read my post it was solely in responce to you bringing in the new z car, which you were putting up against the outdated f body :) but i agree completely if there was a gen 5 supra it would have kept with the vette in every aspect, i love that frickin car.

93-96 c4 vettes were slightly less expensive than the supra, but they got beat by some amount of performance on every aspect im pretty sure, grand sport was closer, and zr1 beat it, but as weve covered zr1 was 62-72 grand (it increased by about 2k every year i think) but i didnt know if the zr1's were actually limited production, but they are and im not suprised so ok your point is taken.

about the ws6 vs mr2...they pull about the same skidpad numbers and the mr2 will beat it in the slalom and has better weight distribution, but after mods the fbody will win, but hey thats not fair cuz we arent talking about a tuner comparo, so i can see full well how youd think the mr2 can handle better, id feel a lot safer in the fbody tho, but thats just me.

Originally posted by The "mecca" project
If you guys think Japanese cars blow, your idiots..

First of all...

The C4 will loose to a MKIV. Don't bullshit yourself... Yes the Zr-1 will beat a supra and by a bit... I don't know the Zr-1's handling, but I doubt it is better than the MKIV and I’m sure the breaking isn't either. Considering Vette never could break like a MKIV until the Z06. Should we talk about quality and reliability?

A Rx-7 Turbo will take a C4, a 3000GT will take a C4.

MKIV is a bad ****ing car...

Oh, the NSX… How should I count the ways… Let’s just wait to see how the New Type R performs and I will get back to you.

Do I need to even talk about the Skyline? I hope not…

EVO? WRX? Both wicked fast with potential… Not only are they as inexpensive as an F-body, there just as fast if not faster with much better handling.

300ZX

RX-7…

The way I see it, Japan has more high performance vehicles than America.

I could extend this list too… Very easily..

all gen 3 rx7s are turbo im assuming those are the ones you are talking about, yeah they will take c4s cept the zr1

3000gt, 91 will win, 92-93 will tie, 94-95 will win, 96 will tie the grandsport. 97-98 get spanked by c5.

MKIV is a bad ****ing car...(yeah i like that, that stays...)

nsx in 91 would beat it 92-95 tie it(maybe beat it by a little), 96 get beat by grand sport, 97 finally got its engine bored to 3.2 from 3.0 and 24 more hp and another gear, and runs next to the c5

skyline r32 is a good discussino, r33 beats them, r34...well thats after the c4, good c5 discussion tho.

evo vii and wrx sti, good cars vs fbodies (i wouldnt say much better handling, probably beat it in the slalom but thats about where it stops, fbodies turn well)

300zx tt z32 valve train problems 90-93 had injector problems, but aside from those they win the 91 race, 92-95 they are tied, 96 grand sport beats them

rx7 damn nice car...

-sorry but I am certain that the 97-99 vettes will lose to the newer VR4's. I am a member of the 3000gt/eclipse club and most people there can easily eat up a vette from a stoplight with the AWD launch even the newer vettes.

- the fbody might be outdated, but thats not my fault gm hasn't decided to make it infinitely better like the vette :)

- also how do you figure the ZR1 will rape a supra . can someone give me some stats on the car. i saw 0-60: 4.9 and quarter in low 13's which is basically identical to the supra . So how exactly does the ZR1 a 65,000$$ car rape the supra? If we are talking about in price than you got me there :). And the RX7 also has similar stats to the supra so i am just curious from my limited knowledge of this car how it is so much superior to the Japanese Beasts? O ya the VR4 also has 0-60 time under 5 seconds.

When was it introduced? Stats?

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
-sorry but I am certain that the 97-99 vettes will lose to the newer VR4's. I am a member of the 3000gt/eclipse club and most people there can easily eat up a vette from a stoplight with the AWD launch even the newer vettes.

- the fbody might be outdated, but thats not my fault gm hasn't decided to make it infinitely better like the vette :)

- also how do you figure the ZR1 will rape a supra . can someone give me some stats on the car. i saw 0-60: 4.9 and quarter in low 13's which is basically identical to the supra . So how exactly does the ZR1 a 65,000$$ car rape the supra? If we are talking about in price than you got me there :). And the RX7 also has similar stats to the supra so i am just curious from my limited knowledge of this car how it is so much superior to the Japanese Beasts? O ya the VR4 also has 0-60 time under 5 seconds.

When was it introduced? Stats?

ah my friend, you cannot be certain it will beat the c5, because it most certainly will not, it weighs 3600lbs and only has 320hp compared to 32xx and 345hp. however you are correct that it will take it off the line, thats not up for debate, 4wd launch is crazy.

its not your fault, but like you pointed out you cannot compare cars that are not in eachothers timline.

zr1 willnot rape a supra,it will beat it...it runs 12.7-12.8, yes it costs a lot more im not saying its a better value, but it will beat it.

i know the vr4 has a 4.9 0-60 thats cuz of the 4wd. but the vette is 4.8

anything under 5 is blinding...

Originally posted by kenny
anything under 5 is blinding...

So just think about under 4. :D

dont be stupid, almost all old mucle cars running 9's are street legal, all they need to have is working lights and a horn and DOT tires. They dont need to pass emisions and are most likely spewing out alot more than 50 times the legal limit. Also, i exagerated, but it wil take a lot more than a few mods to put one into the 9's.

Originally posted by The "mecca" project
If you guys think Japanese cars blow, your idiots..

First of all...

The C4 will loose to a MKIV. Don't bullshit yourself... Yes the Zr-1 will beat a supra and by a bit... I don't know the Zr-1's handling, but I doubt it is better than the MKIV and I’m sure the breaking isn't either. Considering Vette never could break like a MKIV until the Z06. Should we talk about quality and reliability?

A Rx-7 Turbo will take a C4, a 3000GT will take a C4.

MKIV is a bad ****ing car...

Oh, the NSX… How should I count the ways… Let’s just wait to see how the New Type R performs and I will get back to you.

Do I need to even talk about the Skyline? I hope not…

EVO? WRX? Both wicked fast with potential… Not only are they as inexpensive as an F-body, there just as fast if not faster with much better handling.

300ZX

RX-7…

The way I see it, Japan has more high performance vehicles than America.

I could extend this list too… Very easily..
How does the Supra beat the LT1 C4? THe LT1 C4 posted 1/4 mile times of mid 13's with a 5-5.3sec 0-60 times. Those pretty much the same time as the Supra. That 4.6sec time was done once with the Supra, I've never seen it before, EVER. They usually ranged around 4.9-5.1sec. The C4 was a world class handler. The ZR1 will eat a supra IMO. The ZR1 sucks deon low because it's of it OHC design. It doesn't have a broad torque curve like the LT1, LT4 or the LS1/6. This car shines on the big end lie I said a million damn times. It can squeel the tires at 70mph. THe Zr1 didi rape a the same year Porsche 911 Turbo around the track. I remember someone posting a C&D article from back then where the ZR1 posted 2sec better lap times and it was also faster than the Turbo on the big end. I don'y know how the SupraTT woul do against a 911 Turbo of the year. The ZR1 fair quite well. The LT4 GS Vettes were as fast as C5s, they could have sneaked into 12's. There are stories of LT1s sneaking into 12's also. I don't know about that, maybe a well broken in one, I'm sure a well driven broken in MKIV can do that too. Point is I don't think the LT1 will lose to the SupraTT. Considering for the millionth it's about 11 years older than the Supra it does damn good job. The LT1 C4 deserves some serious credit.

An RX-7 I havbe the most faith in. It's light and fast and it has the power. The 3000GT might only take the C4 of the line. After that I can't see anything it's favor. THe C4 is lighter and pulls as hard.

I respect the Skyline. What do you have to say about it. There haven't been head to head comparisons with it and the Vette or the Viper in a long time. Theres nothing you can say about it.

I might be getting a C4 soon. Maybe a 92 LT1 if I find a good solid deal. Most likely I'll be getting an L98. I'll let you know how good it is.:) I'm still looking at early F4 F-bodies too.

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/road&track/8_93/rt893_07.jpg

I never want to see that terrible abomination ever again.

Might only take a C4 off line? A vr4 will take a c4 off line and at any speed also

We all hear about this car and that car sneaking into 12's or te old Z06 hitting 4 seconds flat, but please can u take stats from one place to be credible at least. I can go online and find some guy who got 11.7 out of a viper but am I gonna use it as my stats for al vipers? NO. A c4 does 0-60 in about 5.5 seconds a vr4 in 4.9 a supra in 5.1 a rx7 in like 5.1 also so they all are inifinitely faster down low. than a c4 and have more hp to boot.

How much was c4 ? A Zr1 was in the 60,000$ range.The gran sport do not know.

A ZR1 will kill a supra? SHOW US STATS from a major magazine, not some track racer who had a lucky day.

Tim, obviously u have no clue what r u arguing for

i probably said that sub 10 thing w/ minor mods
i no what i m talking about, so i no that i was trying to make another point...my pt in that post was about japanese sports car put cornering heavily considered. i said F-body running sub-10 w/ minor mods is just an example of how the other guys are always saying "0-60 faster than this" quarter mile and OFTEN never talk about handling and cornering...

Originally posted by GreatWhiteShark
Might only take a C4 off line? A vr4 will take a c4 off line and at any speed also

We all hear about this car and that car sneaking into 12's or te old Z06 hitting 4 seconds flat, but please can u take stats from one place to be credible at least. I can go online and find some guy who got 11.7 out of a viper but am I gonna use it as my stats for al vipers? NO. A c4 does 0-60 in about 5.5 seconds a vr4 in 4.9 a supra in 5.1 a rx7 in like 5.1 also so they all are inifinitely faster down low. than a c4 and have more hp to boot.

How much was c4 ? A Zr1 was in the 60,000$ range.The gran sport do not know.

A ZR1 will kill a supra? SHOW US STATS from a major magazine, not some track racer who had a lucky day.
Lol you are the one that posted that C&D article in CF I believe. the ZR1 smoked the same year 911 Turbo on the track by over 2sec a lap. It's not even in the same league as the Supra. It was made to compete with the NSX, Ferrari 348, and the 911 Turbo. In Mecca's article it says the Supra gets the same lap times as the 911 Turbo. I'm not gonna be nitpicky and compare this article to that article. C4s posted 0-60 numbers of low 5's not 5.5. The LT4 GS Vettes had sub 5sec 0-60 times. Don't forget the C4 does not weigh as much as a ZR1 iether. It definetely deosn't weigh s much as a 3000GT VR4.

Originally posted by TimN88
F-bodies are definately faster than almost every single japanese car. Me friends SS ran a 13.4 bone stock. Now it runs a 12.8 with an open exhaust, a new intake lid and about $400 worth or crap bolted on. Im sorry, but whoever said that a vette or ls1 would go sub 10's with minor mods is an idiot and should be banned (along with his children, and his children's children)from ever posting here again. SUB 10's!! It would take about 40 grand or more to do it right. First of all you would need over about 900-1000hp to do it. This would best be achieved with a full rebuild with a supercharger, or turbos and probably some juice. You also would need a completely new drivetrain to handle that. You might be able to get by with the stock t-56, but not for long. You would need a new driveshaft, and probably a ford 9 in. in the f-body and probably a dana 60 rear in the vette. Then ytou would have a problem of traction, you would have to redo the suspension, and it would help to tub the car to fit the huge slicks. You would also most likely have to narrow the rear to fit them too. Oh, you would also need a full cage, and more chassis reinforcements so you dont crack the body in half. running sub 9's means speeds around 180, so you would need aero stuff to keep it going straight and brakes to stop it. Dont post stuff about something you dont know anything about, sub 10's, come on. Only one thing you that is street legal that you can buy easily is a 1100cc jap bike or an american muscle car that someone put some $$ into.
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hmm really i dont think you have heard of Craig Paisley's 988 hp toyota supra that can do at least 9.89 secs on the quarter mile and is also street legal and if you go to www.suprastore.com you will see many street legal japanese cars that can open a can of whoop ass on a f-body anyday.

also there is the Skyline R34 GTR Subaru wrx sti, Lancer evo's etc

Originally posted by HERETIC 666

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hmm really i dont think you have heard of Craig Paisley's 988 hp toyota supra that can do at least 9.89 secs on the quarter mile and is also street legal and if you go to www.suprastore.com you will see many street legal japanese cars that can open a can of whoop ass on a f-body anyday.

He must be a newbie...

So lets take it easy on him, ok guys?

i've seen him in the old ecf...

and 0-60 and quartermile isn't everything faggat (i'm talking to tim not mecca)

I may be wrong but there are F-bodies running 5.xxxx on stock chassie...... or maybe that's 7.xxxxsec on stock chassie. Iether way a Supra doesn't touch that. Of course I may be wrong though. What's the fastest Supra running? Please don't meantion Suprastore.com for christ sake.

heavy right foot, im not sure there are many fast supras out there many running over 900 hp so far the fastest supra i belive vinney ten's single turbo running over 1300 hp so far and his does 8.89 in the quarter mile(but thats not street legal) but craig paisley is street legal and does 9.78

and i put suprastore.com for reasons that it supplys much information if you know of any good sites with much info on supras and all please let me know

I don't even know what the lowest supras are running. Thats how meaningless the 1/4 mile is to me...

Well I don't exactly know how fast 1300hp Supra should run the 1/4 mile but barely sneaking past 9sec seems a little slow. Of course I may be wrong I don't look into these things much.

supras are in the 8's most power i know of is 1200 to the wheels...which is about 1485hp at the crank, only suspension mods were springs, adj shocks and something else that i forget but it wasnt major, i think it was rear control arms.

also has four seats.

that one runs 8.98 *unibody and near stock suspension*